Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 27th Apr 2012 22:00 UTC, submitted by koki
BeOS & Derivatives "Ultimately, Haiku represents a different way of viewing your personal computer. If you think that software shouldn't be riddled with bugs and incompatibilities and inefficiencies, if you hate being forced to swap out your hardware and software every few years because 'upgrades' have rendered them obsolete, and if you find that the idea of using an operating system that's fast, responsive, and simple is refreshingly novel and appealing, then maybe, just maybe, Haiku is for you." What fascinates me the most is that Haiku's not working on a tablet version. How delightfully quaint.
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phoehne
Member since:
2006-08-26

Personally, as a Windows 7 user, I have 0 issues with speed or stability.


Lucky you. The other billion or so users - not so much.

You wouldn't watch a movie while playing quake (that would be ridiculous) so much as you might move to much more intelligent NPC's, enemies, or maybe much higher fidelity rendering, if you had a significantly more efficient operating system/rendering pipeline. You are constrained by the physical limits of your hardware. The O/S is a tax on that. Like taxes, some of what you pay comes back to you in better services. A certain amount is just lost as waste because the O/S is not efficient.

I'm stunned sometimes by how bad Windows can be. Not all the time, but sometimes. Not just comparing it to BeOS, but other operating systems. With dual booting machines I've sometimes scratched my head in wonder as to why something (like running multiple streams of video back in the NT 4 days) could work so well in one O/S but Windows just kind of screws the pooch. It's not everything, but I think there are some areas where Windows just kind of sucks. And it's not 250ms vs 198ms. It's 5 minutes vs 5 seconds. They say that the 8 kernel has been cleaned up to get its memory footprint down, so hopefully gooder performance in the future.

Of course, there are some things you give up with good design, like long boot times. Like being able to start booting and be able to get up and get a cup of coffee before the system is ready to use. In fact, I sometimes think I could grow the beans, dry them, hump them up from Columbia on a pack mule, toast them, grind them, vacuum pack them, sell them to my Grocery store, go in, buy them back, take them home, brew a pot of coffee.... nope still not done booting.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

The Windows kernel is quite good.

The Windows Internals series is a nice eye opener how everything works.

http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0790145305930.do

In the early NT days, it was the only fully multi-threaded kernel, before the UNIX systems adopted multi-threading at the kernel level.

Many of the Windows issues that people talk about, are at the application level, not at the kernel. For example, the way explorer behaves when handling lots of files.

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bannor99 Member since:
2005-09-15



In the early NT days, it was the only fully multi-threaded kernel, before the UNIX systems adopted multi-threading at the kernel level.

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The SunOS/Solaris kernel was not only multithreaded but also pre-emptible a year before the 1st release of NT

http://static.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sa92/eykh...

I've heard but not been able to confirm that AIX 3 was also a multithreaded, preemptible kernel.
If true, that predates Win NT 3.1 by several years

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phoehne Member since:
2006-08-26

It's not that Windows is horrible. It's just that when you keep backwards compatibility for as long as they have you wind up with multiple API's to do the same thing. You wind up saddled with decisions that made sense when the limits of technology lead you to certain tradeoffs, but new tradeoffs may make more sense in the present.

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alexz Member since:
2012-02-25

I can watch a 1080p youtube video while playing WoW at 40fps in high settings on my 4 years old core2duo HP laptop running windows 7 with an external hdmi monitor.

Windows 7 has its performance problem, but managing/sharing resources isn't one of these problem.

Wake me up when Haiku can do half of what I need to be done on a computer.

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