Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 29th Apr 2012 12:22 UTC
Apple "Apple, the world's most profitable technology company, doesn't design iPhones here. It doesn't run AppleCare customer service from this city. And it doesn't manufacture MacBooks or iPads anywhere nearby. Yet, with a handful of employees in a small office here in Reno, Apple has done something central to its corporate strategy: it has avoided millions of dollars in taxes in California and 20 other states." Sure, this is all legal for companies to do (and Apple obviously isn't alone) but it does show you how much sense of morality companies have. Answer: none. But hey, it's legal, and the law is never wrong, right?
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RE: But taxation is theft
by rycamor on Sun 29th Apr 2012 14:45 UTC in reply to "But taxation is theft"
rycamor
Member since:
2005-07-18

Hehe... of course jesuspower's post would get moderated down by all the self-righteous believers in authority.

While I believe that some taxation is necessary (although not on income), it is obvious that what we have now has been blown completely out of proportion. The sum total of government services that we actually rely on in daily life almost all occur in local and state government, which taxes us at a minor percentage compared to the greedy beast that is our central Federal government. And in fact, even local government is at least 90% waste and unneeded "services".

No my friends, your self-righteously-paid taxes mostly go towards supporting a corrupt monetary system, foreign wars, failed banks and investment companies, and paying for a completely counterproductive bureaucracy that eventually wants to dictate everything in your life, from how much water your toilet holds to what kind of food you should be allowed to consume (Google "raw milk raids').

Time to stop defending what is clearly an out-of-control bully. I cheer every time I hear about some company or individual who has managed to avoid supporting the beast.

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RE[2]: But taxation is theft
by LeeZH on Sun 29th Apr 2012 15:07 in reply to "RE: But taxation is theft"
LeeZH Member since:
2010-10-21

Finally, a good argument. If you checked the other portion of this thread you'll know why I am so relieved by this post.

Yes, I agree that the US government has been diverting tax money to the wrong areas, but that means it is up to the US citizens to change the government's ways, not avoid taxes.

Starving a bully government may mean there would be less money for pointless wars, but it would also mean less money for the other important areas that are under-funded, like relieving foreign oil dependence, or improving the health-care so that poor people can afford them, or improving the education system so that people like Jesuspower would actually make good arguments.

Change the government, that's the answer.

Edited 2012-04-29 15:09 UTC

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RE[3]: But taxation is theft
by rycamor on Sun 29th Apr 2012 16:00 in reply to "RE[2]: But taxation is theft"
rycamor Member since:
2005-07-18

Finally, a good argument. If you checked the other portion of this thread you'll know why I am so relieved by this post.

Yes, I agree that the US government has been diverting tax money to the wrong areas, but that means it is up to the US citizens to change the government's ways, not avoid taxes.

Starving a bully government may mean there would be less money for pointless wars, but it would also mean less money for the other important areas that are under-funded, like relieving foreign oil dependence, or improving the health-care so that poor people can afford them, or improving the education system so that people like Jesuspower would actually make good arguments.

Change the government, that's the answer.


You're young, I can see that. Your answer is for the government to start funding MORE other things! And somehow trust that this same government will voluntarily stop spending the money where we don't want. Look at history and tell me where that has ever worked. The European Union, which we Americans have been told for decades is the gold standard of enlightened socialism, is in a shambles, and will likely collapse within our lifetimes.

Right now, I can guarantee you that there are literally thousands of brilliant ideas about how to solve our energy/food/health problems that are actively being squashed by our government. Individuals solve problems. Governments create them.

The simple fact is, the more power you give government, the more it and the citizens will be corrupted. Government has absolutely no incentive to do things efficiently or to actually solve the problems that it is expected to solve. Think about that for an hour. The reality in history is that there is only one type of problem that can be solved by government: how to restrict one person from violating another (essentially, punishing theft and violence, and enforcing contracts). Note that this is one of the few problems that government is not rewarded for prolonging (ideally). Everything else works against that. The real problems of the world have been solved by individuals and groups of people who have an incentive to find a better way to do things. Computer geeks should be among the first to achieve this insight.

Limit the government. That's the only answer.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

--Thomas Jefferson

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RE[2]: But taxation is theft
by looncraz on Sun 29th Apr 2012 16:24 in reply to "RE: But taxation is theft"
looncraz Member since:
2005-07-24

Amen!

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