Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:17 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Legal Java creator James Gosling: "Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun." Ouch. Also, doesn't jive with Schwartz' comments - might be illustrative of how bad things really were at the once great Sun.
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by diegocg on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:37 UTC
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So what if Google slimed Sun? Get over it, it's a programming language. To me the attitude of Java people is completely childish. Instead of working to improve Java they become paranoid about what other people is doing.

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:52 in reply to "Sigh"
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Sliming isn't an illegal activity as far as I recall.

The article at cnet ( is pretty funny, apparently in 2008 (2008!) Vineet Gupta, chief strategy and technology officer of Sun's OEM software systems engineering, thought that Suns Java/JavaFX/App Store was competitive with Android. Seriously.

I think everything you need to know about Sun's demise is right there. Horrible implementations of great software design, leading to delusional thinking about building consumer side technology developers and consumers will want.

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by gus3 on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:11 in reply to "RE: Sigh"
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"Sliming" can be illegal, depending on where you are. It's legal in the USA, but in Merrie Olde England, one can be hauled before the bench for hurting someone's feelings, even if the words used were demonstrably factual. And isn't someone facing 20 years of lockup for letting others "insult" the king of Thailand on her website?

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by MollyC on Mon 30th Apr 2012 21:47 in reply to "Sigh"
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I remember the days when Sun/Java was the great white hope of the "freedom loving" programming community.
But then a new flavor of the month comes a long, gets in a conflict with Sun/Java, and those freedom lovers have to choose sides, and they decide side with the new boy (Google) and throw the old one under the bus. lol

Meanwhile, as time goes on, Google's "Do no evil" mantra becomes more and more a farce, yet they continue to get a pass from the so-called "freedom lovers". hehee

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by pooo on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:14 in reply to "RE: Sigh"
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What are you trying to insinuate? That the OSS community is not loyal because they are angry at Oracle? Is that what you are calling "throwing under the bus"??

Give me a break. People are mad because Oracle is going back on their open stance wrt java. There is nothing wrong with that.

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by Beta on Tue 1st May 2012 00:49 in reply to "RE: Sigh"
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I remember the days when Sun/Java was the great white hope of the "freedom loving" programming community.

You have a really bad memory, Java was always treated poorly because it wasn’t FOSS. Then it became GPLed as OpenJDK yet was one version behind, all the while the JCP was in deadlock, and then Oracle bought them. Nothing seemed to all go well at once.

The OpenJDK release was a great vindication for freedom lovers, but I don’t think anyone saw it as the great white hope you claim.

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