Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:17 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Legal Java creator James Gosling: "Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun." Ouch. Also, doesn't jive with Schwartz' comments - might be illustrative of how bad things really were at the once great Sun.
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RE: Sigh
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:52 UTC in reply to "Sigh"
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Sliming isn't an illegal activity as far as I recall.

The article at cnet ( is pretty funny, apparently in 2008 (2008!) Vineet Gupta, chief strategy and technology officer of Sun's OEM software systems engineering, thought that Suns Java/JavaFX/App Store was competitive with Android. Seriously.

I think everything you need to know about Sun's demise is right there. Horrible implementations of great software design, leading to delusional thinking about building consumer side technology developers and consumers will want.

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RE[2]: Sigh
by gus3 on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:11 in reply to "RE: Sigh"
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"Sliming" can be illegal, depending on where you are. It's legal in the USA, but in Merrie Olde England, one can be hauled before the bench for hurting someone's feelings, even if the words used were demonstrably factual. And isn't someone facing 20 years of lockup for letting others "insult" the king of Thailand on her website?

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RE[3]: Sigh
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 1st May 2012 16:37 in reply to "RE[2]: Sigh"
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I didn't think that sliming in that context meant libel. I thought they were saying that it was "unfair" for Google to use a Java like language that would help destroy the actual Java ME phones that paid money to Sun, without having to pay Sun anything.

Sun just sucked so hard at coming up with any consumer facing device that ran Java, it must have been really hard to watch someone else do it without sharing in that success. If Sun was smart, they would have accepted *anything* in return for a license fee. This lawsuit will not accomplish anything substantial for Oracle.

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