Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:17 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Legal Java creator James Gosling: "Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun." Ouch. Also, doesn't jive with Schwartz' comments - might be illustrative of how bad things really were at the once great Sun.
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RE: C++ forever
by tylerdurden on Mon 30th Apr 2012 20:50 UTC in reply to "C++ forever"
tylerdurden
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2009-03-17

I take the main problem you have with Java, if C++ is your ideal, it is that it does not suck enough.

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RE[2]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Mon 30th Apr 2012 22:59 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
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2007-02-18

I take the main problem you have with Java, if C++ is your ideal, it is that it does not suck enough.


C++ is a much better language than Java, especially with the improvements and simplifications, like the auto keyword for type deduction, or the automatic memory management of shared pointers and move semantics, of C++11.

People who dislike C++ do not understand how to use C++ properly and should under no circumstances be allowed near important code.

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RE[3]: C++ forever
by JAlexoid on Tue 1st May 2012 00:46 in reply to "RE[2]: C++ forever"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

C++ is a much better language than Java, especially with the improvements and simplifications, like the auto keyword for type deduction, or the automatic memory management of shared pointers and move semantics, of C++11.

"It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing to remove". Antoine de St. Exupery

People who dislike C++ do not understand how to use C++ properly and should under no circumstances be allowed near important code.

Sounds like the COBOL developers in the days of yore. Frustrated elitist people fading into irrelevance.

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RE[2]: C++ forever
by MollyC on Tue 1st May 2012 17:45 in reply to "RE: C++ forever"
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2006-07-04

C++ used to "suck" (in relative terms, but not in absolute terms, IMO), but modern C++ I think is my favorite language right now (unless I want to do something in a more natural "functional" style, in which case I'll go for F# (or lisp/scheme, if I'm in an old-school mood)).

I started with C++, moved on to Java at one point, then moved to C# (which began as a cleaner version of Java, then moved well beyond it while remaining cleaner), and i've liked both, but I'm back to C++ now.

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RE[3]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Tue 1st May 2012 20:22 in reply to "RE[2]: C++ forever"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

C++ used to "suck" (in relative terms, but not in absolute terms, IMO)


It sucked most when it lacked a standard, and then when it got one, lacking a decent implementation of the standard.

modern C++ I think is my favorite language right now (unless I want to do something in a more natural "functional" style, in which case I'll go for F# (or lisp/scheme, if I'm in an old-school mood)).


That is what I would consider still a weak point. STL Algorithms and lambda functions and function binding are okay, but the language itself needs a lot more facilities for functional style programming.

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