Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Apr 2012 19:17 UTC, submitted by bowkota
Legal Java creator James Gosling: "Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun." Ouch. Also, doesn't jive with Schwartz' comments - might be illustrative of how bad things really were at the once great Sun.
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RE[4]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Tue 1st May 2012 01:03 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: C++ forever"
kwan_e
Member since:
2007-02-18

"It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing to remove". Antoine de St. Exupery


"Argument by Quote is a sure sign of intellectual stagnation" - me.

No one said C++ is perfect, except for those who make strawman arguments against C++. C++ isn't perfect. It cannot account for new programming styles, and so new features must be added to support new programming styles.

The problem with your argument by quote is that it implies C++ usage somehow uses all C++ features. The best C++ programs/libraries only use what makes sense for the given design solution to a problem. None of the added features are strictly necessary for any tasks and so do not really add anything to existing programs/libraries that already work well.

I fear for people subjected to your code - a person who obviously thinks that every language feature of a language must be used.

"People who dislike C++ do not understand how to use C++ properly and should under no circumstances be allowed near important code.

Sounds like the COBOL developers in the days of yore. Frustrated elitist people fading into irrelevance.
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COBOL is still around (and still being written). Mainframes are still around (and being bought new).

The only elitists are web programmers who think they are the hottest shit around, completely oblivious to the fact that not everything can be written in markup language with dynamic languages injected here and there.

C++ programmers have every right to feel elite over people who write phone apps.

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RE[5]: C++ forever
by JAlexoid on Tue 1st May 2012 10:56 in reply to "RE[4]: C++ forever"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I fear for people subjected to your code - a person who obviously thinks that every language feature of a language must be used.

From one quote you got that? This thread alone has more quotes from you to portray you as an arrogant person.

C++ programmers have every right to feel elite over people who write phone apps.

Phone apps? Elite? So you don't even bother refuting that you feel morally superior based on the fact that you use C++?

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RE[6]: C++ forever
by kwan_e on Tue 1st May 2012 11:01 in reply to "RE[5]: C++ forever"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

"I fear for people subjected to your code - a person who obviously thinks that every language feature of a language must be used.

From one quote you got that? This thread alone has more quotes from you to portray you as an arrogant person.
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Oh, apparently, it's okay for you to take my tongue-in-cheek "C++ forever" comment title and conclude that I made the statement "C++ is perfect" and a whole slew of other assumptions about me?

You're a hypocrite.

"C++ programmers have every right to feel elite over people who write phone apps.

Phone apps? Elite? So you don't even bother refuting that you feel morally superior based on the fact that you use C++?
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I say it purely because it upsets people like you who have an inferiority complex to someone who prefers C++. I feel morally superior to people like you who can't handle the fact people can prefer different things to you.

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