Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st May 2012 12:10 UTC
Internet & Networking "Starting today, users in the United States and UK will be able to add that they're organ donors to their Timelines, and if they're not organ donors, they can find links to official organ donation registries and instantly enroll." A commendable effort, but for some reason, I find it quite creepy, too. What if you leave your Facebook open and someone enlists you? On a related note - if you're not registered as a donor yet, please consider doing so. It might save someone's life.
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RE[3]: Opt-out here
by r00kie on Tue 1st May 2012 16:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Opt-out here"
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Not when ethics, responsibility and accountability are at an all time low, at least at the sea planted corner of earth where I live now. Not when people are not even remotely aware of such opt-out scheme and are not informed that you have to opt-out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against being an organ donor but this opt-out thing feels very similar to a scam where someone is trying to catch you of guard.

If it was some facebook, microsoft or google opt-out scheme everyone would be screaming foul, but this, no one seems to care, as if overlooking, malpractice and mistakes don't happen.

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RE[4]: Opt-out here
by cfgr on Tue 1st May 2012 18:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Opt-out here"
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I can understand some of the principal arguments against an opt-out system, but I think it boils down to trust in your government. I think mine (Belgian) has a great many flaws, but there are a lot of things they do right as well. This is one of them.

Compare that to the Netherlands where there is an opt-in system (due to protestant lobbying - how very Christian of them!). There was a lot of anger here a year ago because in the EU you are not allowed to deny other EU citizens basic rights such as healthcare. So what happened is that the Netherlands have long waiting lists due to their opt-in system, and therefore Dutch people signed up on Belgian waiting lists instead (which are much shorter due to the opt-out). Needless to say, our lists increased, our own citizens were not allowed to get priority due to the EU equality rules, and we were basically carrying the costs for Dutch healthcare.

The anger wasn't really about that our lists increased, but about the fact that the Netherlands stubbornly refused to go for an opt-out system while profiting of their more enlightened neighbouring countries who do.

It's not an easy thing to decide on when looking from a "does my government have the right to decide over my body?" angle, but I am nonetheless convinced that overall an opt-out donation system is the best way for a healthy social community.

Edited 2012-05-01 19:02 UTC

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RE[5]: Opt-out here
by r00kie on Tue 1st May 2012 21:06 in reply to "RE[4]: Opt-out here"
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That issue of Netherland citizens having to go to another country to get proper health care sucks, but that's another issue. I don't know the background of that so I can't comment on it.

On the other hand it's disturbing to think that due to this opt-out scheme not all possible avenues of treatment might be attempted because of keeping organs viable or because someone privileged is needing them now (we're all equal, just some are more equal than others). I still say that this should be opt-in, like giving blood, you do it because you know why you should , because you want to and because you are aware of how things work. The best way to have a healthy social community is to have people properly educated and informed and give consent.

People are not stupid, if things are explained clearly enough, anyone sane and reasonable is able to understand and do an informed decision.

On the issue of trusting the government, if it weren't for all the competent, honest and truthful governments all over europe and the world we wouldn't be in the economic mess we're in. I'd say this answers that question.

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RE[5]: Opt-out here
by mahiyu on Tue 1st May 2012 21:07 in reply to "RE[4]: Opt-out here"
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I can see where you're coming from, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of the State presuming consent to do whatever it likes with peoples' bodies after death. I much prefer an opt-in system (and for the record I've opted in.)

In my opinion, there are two things that need to be done to make the system work better. First of all, give people on the organ donor register priority should they ever need an organ, with people who haven't registered getting organs if there are any spare. Second, and I know this would create some uncomfortable situations for doctors, get rid of the system we have in the UK whereby relatives can override the deceased wishes and forbid their organs being used for donations. As I see it, if I'm happy for my organs to be used, no-one should be able to refuse on my behalf.

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