Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th May 2012 21:25 UTC
In the News "The FBI is asking Internet companies not to oppose a controversial proposal that would require firms, including Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and Google, to build in backdoors for government surveillance. In meetings with industry representatives, the White House, and U.S. senators, senior FBI officials argue the dramatic shift in communication from the telephone system to the Internet has made it far more difficult for agents to wiretap Americans suspected of illegal activities, CNET has learned. The FBI general counsel's office has drafted a proposed law that the bureau claims is the best solution: requiring that social-networking Web sites and providers of VoIP, instant messaging, and Web e-mail alter their code to ensure their products are wiretap-friendly." I no longer know what to say. You will be monitored by The State. If you oppose such monitoring, you're a terrorist.
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RE: Comment by marcp
by JeeperMate on Sat 5th May 2012 18:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by marcp"
JeeperMate
Member since:
2010-06-12


What and ordinary guy can do? boycott USA.
- don't travel to USA
- don't use products from USA [no matter where they were produced - [it's about brand, because money goes to USA]
- use alternatives - software, goods produced in your country or countries that actually respect your freedom, privacy, data, etc. Few examples: OS - Gnu/Linux, *BSDs, OpenIndiana, etc


That would mean avoid using products made by, or employing components made by:
- Intel (CPUs, chipsets, SSDs, network controllers),
- AMD (CPUs, chipsets, GPUs),
- nVidia (GPUs and chipsets),
- SandForce (SSD controllers used by various vendors),
- Google/Android,
- Cisco/Linksys,
- Juniper,
- Qualcomm Atheros (network controllers)
- Broadcom (especially wireless network controllers used in various mobile/stationary devices)
- Netgear,
- Nintendo (Wii uses wireless network IC produced by Broadcom),
- Sony (esp. PlayStation 3, which relies on nVidia GPU to handle graphics processing),
- Any Internet service provider (I bet they're using Cisco and/or Juniper devices in their infrastructure),
- etc.

If you live outside of the U.S. and have Internet connection, be advised that your ISP may be paying some U.S. company for international backbone/exchange link. You might want to stop using the Internet as well.

You go ahead, and do keep me posted.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by katti on Sat 5th May 2012 22:14 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
katti Member since:
2012-02-23

Yeah, the GP went a little too far, and you are right, it's totally impossible. It's quite sad that the world is THAT much dependent on technology coming from the US.

But, to avoid any online service that is hosted in the the US and/or by a US company is totally possible. Google? lots of alternatives there.
Gmail/Yahoo mail/you-name-it-mail? plenty of services outside the US, or maybe roll your own
Facebook,Twitter? lots of social networks outside the US, or maybe just quit using that ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Sun 6th May 2012 10:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

What on earth are you talking about? if it is dependent on some technology, it is technology which comes from CHINA and east in general. Guys, wake up.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by hussam on Sun 6th May 2012 04:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

If you live outside of the U.S. and have Internet connection, be advised that your ISP may be paying some U.S. company for international backbone/exchange link. You might want to stop using the Internet as well.
You go ahead, and do keep me posted.

most of the world is on european backbones. the location makes more sense.

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RE[3]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Sun 6th May 2012 10:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

... but that's what these guys don't get ;) they probobly think they're in the centre of the whole world, which is not the case.

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RE[2]: Comment by marcp
by marcp on Sun 6th May 2012 10:15 in reply to "RE: Comment by marcp"
marcp Member since:
2007-11-23

I think you are overestimating USA, which is ... well, kinda typical I must say ;)
FYI, there are PLENTY of hardware manufacturers, software developers, etc OUTSIDE USA, which do NOT use ANY of USA "goods".

Oh, and the ISP thing ... come on ... you really think there's only "US" internet? man, wake up ... we have regional sites, ISPs, intranets, local news services, etc, etc. Myriads of them actually. Most people never ever go to US sites, with the unfamous exception of Facebook. And don't even get me started on Facebook ...

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