Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th May 2012 18:16 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Speaking of HP, the company replied to a question if they copied Apple for their latest ultrabook, the Envy Spectre XT. "There are similarities in a way, not due to Apple but due to the way technologies developed. Apple may like to think that they own silver, but they don't. In no way did HP try to mimic Apple. In life there are a lot of similarities." It's an ultrabook, a category of laptops defined by Intel. Coincidentally, Intel also developed the internals of the MacBook Air. These products are looking relatively similar because their internals have been designed by the same damn company. Get over it.
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galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

A fraction? In what world do you live? The ENTIRE board, processor, graphics chip, and cooling solution were designed by Intel - which defines a HUGE portion of the outer shell of the device. The stick hard drive, meanwhile, was developed by Toshiba or Hitachi (I forgot). Board/chip-wise, nothing came from Apple. Zero. Nada.


... you keep saying this while ignoring the fact that what you are talking about is the 4th iteration of the Macbook Air. Yes, the current generation devices generally follow Intel's ultrabook spec - but the orginal 2008 design and the two follow-on updates PREDATE Intel's ultrabook spec. And outside of a few very small cosmetic details, externally the different generations are nearly identical.

Intel provided a custom CPU/packaging for earlier Airs - but they did not design the PCB. Hell, the 2nd and 3rd generation devices didnt even have Intel GPUs OR chipsets - they were Nvidia. Are you claiming that Intel designed a solution for Apple with an Nvidia chipset???

I personally don't give two sh*ts who created what when - I just don't understand why you seem to be on a crusade to discredit Apple in one of the few cases they actually did come up with a good idea (original or not - it was more or less the blueprint for the future ultrabook spec).

Granted it was with LOTS of help from Intel - not everyone can get a custom CPU from Intel. But I would bet money that the CPU was built at the request of Apple...

Edited 2012-05-09 21:14 UTC

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theosib Member since:
2006-03-02

Ah, so what actually happened was that Intel stole, while HP shamelessly borrowed.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I never contested that Apple didn't play an important role. All I said was that the current ultrabooks designs are dictated by Intel's specs, and Intel ALSO made the spec for the original Air (and current Airs) which started the ultrabook trend. Therefore, the claim that ultrabook makers are copying Apple is ridiculous. Of course these machines are going to look the same; they are the exact same hardware in the the same minute space!

That does not negate the fact that it was Apple that started the trend - I never contested as such, that's entirely between your own two ears.

The MacBook Air is fcuking awesome - the best laptop you can currently buy if you don't really care about Windows vs. OS X. I don't think I've ever said anything other than that Apple makes the best laptops, so where your crazy, and quite honestly, utterly paranoid notion comes from that I'm trying to discredit Apple, I honestly don't know.

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I never contested that Apple didn't play an important role. All I said was that the current ultrabooks designs are dictated by Intel's specs, and Intel ALSO made the spec for the original Air (and current Airs) which started the ultrabook trend.


[Bolding Mine]... Please provide any evidence at all that what I bolded in your comment is true... Intel made a custom CPU package for Apple in 2008 - that does not constitute a "spec".

Therefore, the claim that ultrabook makers are copying Apple is ridiculous. Of course these machines are going to look the same; they are the exact same hardware in the the same minute space!


...yet somehow Apple was able to go through 4 generations of hardware (switch from rotational to SSD, switch from chipset-integrated GPU to external GPU then to CPU integrated GPU, switch between chipsets and GPU vendors, entirely different CPU generation, etc) while retaining what externally is almost exactly the same design.

I'm sorry, but the insides don't dictate the outsides - at all. in any way. The computer industry is absolutely filled with evidence to the contrary.

That doesn't mean I care whether or not HP copied Apple's design. I don't. I just get the impression from the way you write about this that you think the first Air was released in 2011 and the ones that came before it somehow never existed... Yes, the current generation device is more or less based on the ultrabook spec - but that spec was more or less modeled on the previous generation Airs. Maybe not literally but at least in the sense that Apple's success with that product prompted Intel to try and capitalize on it.

The only point Im trying to make is that the similarity between HP's device and The Air is exactly the same whether or not you are talking about the current Air or the one from 5 years ago. Since that one has no relationship at all with the ultrabook spec... I don't understand the premise of your argument.

Edited 2012-05-09 21:52 UTC

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smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

but the orginal 2008 design and the two follow-on updates PREDATE Intel's ultrabook spec


ultrabooks predate the air by many years
intel just came up with a name for them in 2011

you can take a look at the vaio x505 from 2004
and sony weren't the only ones building such laptops back then

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/reviews/ultraportables/2004/09/02/sony-vaio-...

Edited 2012-05-09 21:29 UTC

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bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12

"but the orginal 2008 design and the two follow-on updates PREDATE Intel's ultrabook spec


ultrabooks predate the air by many years
intel just came up with a name for them in 2011

you can take a look at the vaio x505 from 2004
and sony weren't the only ones building such laptops back then

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/reviews/ultraportables/2004/09/02/sony-vaio-...
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This is the point I was trying to make I was just too bored to look around for previous designs.
The Air was a new form factor and the fact that the majority of the components inside are dictated by Intel has no correlation to the overall look and design of the laptop.
It's Apple which designs the packaging and it was Apple that decided what was going to be included IN THE AIR. If you go back to its introduction there were countless articles criticising the lack of various components inside the laptop. These decisions were all made by Apple not by Intel.
The shape and the design is derived by Apple and these others vendors are merely borrowing/copying it (because it's the right thing to do).

Get over it
PS: Thom you do know what a fraction means right? 9/10 is a fraction as is 1/7.

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