Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th May 2012 18:16 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Speaking of HP, the company replied to a question if they copied Apple for their latest ultrabook, the Envy Spectre XT. "There are similarities in a way, not due to Apple but due to the way technologies developed. Apple may like to think that they own silver, but they don't. In no way did HP try to mimic Apple. In life there are a lot of similarities." It's an ultrabook, a category of laptops defined by Intel. Coincidentally, Intel also developed the internals of the MacBook Air. These products are looking relatively similar because their internals have been designed by the same damn company. Get over it.
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Thom_Holwerda
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2005-06-29

I never contested that Apple didn't play an important role. All I said was that the current ultrabooks designs are dictated by Intel's specs, and Intel ALSO made the spec for the original Air (and current Airs) which started the ultrabook trend. Therefore, the claim that ultrabook makers are copying Apple is ridiculous. Of course these machines are going to look the same; they are the exact same hardware in the the same minute space!

That does not negate the fact that it was Apple that started the trend - I never contested as such, that's entirely between your own two ears.

The MacBook Air is fcuking awesome - the best laptop you can currently buy if you don't really care about Windows vs. OS X. I don't think I've ever said anything other than that Apple makes the best laptops, so where your crazy, and quite honestly, utterly paranoid notion comes from that I'm trying to discredit Apple, I honestly don't know.

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galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I never contested that Apple didn't play an important role. All I said was that the current ultrabooks designs are dictated by Intel's specs, and Intel ALSO made the spec for the original Air (and current Airs) which started the ultrabook trend.


[Bolding Mine]... Please provide any evidence at all that what I bolded in your comment is true... Intel made a custom CPU package for Apple in 2008 - that does not constitute a "spec".

Therefore, the claim that ultrabook makers are copying Apple is ridiculous. Of course these machines are going to look the same; they are the exact same hardware in the the same minute space!


...yet somehow Apple was able to go through 4 generations of hardware (switch from rotational to SSD, switch from chipset-integrated GPU to external GPU then to CPU integrated GPU, switch between chipsets and GPU vendors, entirely different CPU generation, etc) while retaining what externally is almost exactly the same design.

I'm sorry, but the insides don't dictate the outsides - at all. in any way. The computer industry is absolutely filled with evidence to the contrary.

That doesn't mean I care whether or not HP copied Apple's design. I don't. I just get the impression from the way you write about this that you think the first Air was released in 2011 and the ones that came before it somehow never existed... Yes, the current generation device is more or less based on the ultrabook spec - but that spec was more or less modeled on the previous generation Airs. Maybe not literally but at least in the sense that Apple's success with that product prompted Intel to try and capitalize on it.

The only point Im trying to make is that the similarity between HP's device and The Air is exactly the same whether or not you are talking about the current Air or the one from 5 years ago. Since that one has no relationship at all with the ultrabook spec... I don't understand the premise of your argument.

Edited 2012-05-09 21:52 UTC

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

[Bolding Mine]... Please provide any evidence at all that what I bolded in your comment is true... Intel made a custom CPU package for Apple in 2008 - that does not constitute a "spec".


There's a link in the item. Did you read it?

...yet somehow Apple was able to go through 4 generations of hardware (switch from rotational to SSD, switch from chipset-integrated GPU to external GPU then to CPU integrated GPU, switch between chipsets and GPU vendors, entirely different CPU generation, etc) while retaining what externally is almost exactly the same design.


...meanwhile skipping processors, chipsets, and GPUs that did NOT fit inside the case.

Maybe not literally but at least in the sense that Apple's success with that product prompted Intel to try and capitalize on it.


It went like this:

Apple and Intel entered into a close partnership when Apple switched to Intel, and Apple would get first-mover advantage to new Intel chips if they wanted to.

Apple then asked Intel: please design and build a processor, chipset, and GPU that can fit inside a small and thin laptop. Intel said okay - but after a certain period of exclusivity, we do want to sell this design to others, else it's simply not worth our while.

And so they did. Hence, current ultrabooks look like MacBook Airs. This isn't rocket science.

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