Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 10th May 2012 01:08 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source John Sullivan, executive director of the Free Software Foundation: "Were it grounded in reality, Oracle's claim that copyright law gives them proprietary control over any software that uses a particular functional API would be terrible for free software and programmers everywhere. It is an unethical and greedy interpretation created with the express purpose of subjugating as many computer users as possible, and is particularly bad in this context because it comes at a time when the sun has barely set on the free software community's celebration of Java as a language newly suitable for use in the free world. Fortunately, the claim is not yet reality, and we hope Judge Alsup will keep it that way." Couldn't agree more.
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RE[3]: Crazy FSF
by bowkota on Thu 10th May 2012 04:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Crazy FSF"
bowkota
Member since:
2011-10-12

"well to be honest, Stallman is batshit crazy


Unless you are Richard Stallman, how can you "be honest" about Richard Stallman? Stallman is an uber-nerd and behaves like what you would expect from unsocial types. Other than that, what is it about Stallman that makes him supposedly "batshit" crazy? Do you know what's batshit crazy? Oracle's claims. This alone vindicates Stallman, if we forget all the other crazy corporate shit that previously vindicated his views.
"

There's quite a bit of evidence out there that he's batshit crazy, he's not just another nerd.

https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public...

As for Oracle, they're no different than any other big corporation.
Google is no better no matter how much they preach "don't be evil". Although Thom conveniently ignores this, Motorola (cough Google) is attacking everyone right and left using FRAND patents. They're all looking after their own good and Google is probably the worse one of all.
http://photos.appleinsider.com/lobbying-120509.jpg

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RE[4]: Crazy FSF
by kwan_e on Thu 10th May 2012 05:20 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy FSF"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

There's quite a bit of evidence out there that he's batshit crazy


I keep seeing this claim, and when people are pushed to provide the evidence, the only "evidence" is a misunderstanding of the GPL, and a misconception of terms like "freedom" and "ideology" and "pragmatic".

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RE[5]: Crazy FSF
by Slambert666 on Thu 10th May 2012 05:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy FSF"
Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

What are you talking about?
bowkota just gave you a bucketload of crazy to look into. Follow the link and have a good laugh.

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RE[4]: Crazy FSF
by kwan_e on Thu 10th May 2012 05:56 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy FSF"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Although Thom conveniently ignores this


From what little I read of Thom's it's more apparent that rabid anti-Thom fanatics conveniently ignores all the things he writes more than Thom ignores facts.

As for Google's lobbying... what exactly are they lobbying for?

I like how Apple nuts like to pick the first big number they come across to explain anything, instead of dissecting what those figures mean. Forget about reality distortion, Apple nuts are actually into voodoo and numerology*.

* Here's a hint: just because you use numbers does not mean you are using those numbers correctly.

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RE[5]: Crazy FSF
by bowkota on Thu 10th May 2012 06:11 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy FSF"
bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12


As for Google's lobbying... what exactly are they lobbying for?



Let me use the numbers correctly

They're lobbying for world peace, hence their motto Don't be evil.

Edited 2012-05-10 06:15 UTC

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v RE[5]: Crazy FSF
by bowkota on Thu 10th May 2012 06:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy FSF"
RE[4]: Crazy FSF
by Soulbender on Thu 10th May 2012 06:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy FSF"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18


Exactly how does that make him batshit crazy. By no means do I agree with the man or the GPL (and that list is certainly a bit overwhelming) but batshit crazy? No, he's not.
I'm sure it's nice for organizers to know all his quirks and oddities *before* booking him.
Chanting "Developers Developers Developers", now there's something akin to batshit crazy.

Edited 2012-05-10 06:09 UTC

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RE[5]: Crazy FSF
by bowkota on Thu 10th May 2012 06:14 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy FSF"
bowkota Member since:
2011-10-12


Exactly how does that make him batshit crazy. By no means do I agree with the man or the GPL (and that list is certainly a bit overwhelming) but batshit crazy? No, he's not.
I'm sure it's nice for organizers to know all his quirks and oddities *before* booking him.
Chanting "Developers Developers Developers", now there's something akin to batshit crazy.
"

You're right he just has a few quirks and oddities just like any other person, a regular Joe just like you or any one else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

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RE[5]: Crazy FSF
by kwan_e on Thu 10th May 2012 06:20 in reply to "RE[4]: Crazy FSF"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Chanting "Developers Developers Developers", now there's something akin to batshit crazy.


There's a very well defined cut-off point for "batshit crazy".

If someone believes either one or more of:

1) 9/11 truthers
2) Moon landing "hoax"
3) 2012

Who knows, maybe Stallman does believe one of those. But I don't think that's out there at the moment.

Anything less than any of those three is not "batshit crazy", and they're mildly batshit crazy. True batshit crazy are the Phelps from the Westboro church. In between are the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons and Glenn Becks and Ann Coulters of this world.

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RE[4]: Crazy FSF
by andydread on Thu 10th May 2012 09:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy FSF"
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

"[q]well to be honest, Stallman is batshit crazy


Unless you are Richard Stallman, how can you "be honest" about Richard Stallman? Stallman is an uber-nerd and behaves like what you would expect from unsocial types. Other than that, what is it about Stallman that makes him supposedly "batshit" crazy? Do you know what's batshit crazy? Oracle's claims. This alone vindicates Stallman, if we forget all the other crazy corporate shit that previously vindicated his views.
"

There's quite a bit of evidence out there that he's batshit crazy, he's not just another nerd.

https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public...

As for Oracle, they're no different than any other big corporation.
Google is no better no matter how much they preach "don't be evil". Although Thom conveniently ignores this, Motorola (cough Google) is attacking everyone right and left using FRAND patents. They're all looking after their own good and Google is probably the worse one of all.
http://photos.appleinsider.com/lobbying-120509.jpg [/q]

What ridiculous drivel you spew there. Who did Google attack with FRAND Patents. As for Motorola... you neglected to mention that Microsoft and Apple started this sleazy war over software-patents by suing world + dog over trivial and dubious software patents that should have never been filed and should have never been granted such as swiping on a frigging screen and rendering text before images for god's sake. Any use of FRAND patents to COUNTERSUE these sleaze-balls is FAIR GAME. Microsoft, Apple and Oracle are using sleazy software-patents to create an atmosphere where you CANNOT sit down at your computer and write system code without worrying about them coming to claim ownership of your frigging code that they did not write through the use of broad and obvious software-patents. And you come here spewing these Apple PR talking points. Self destructive much? You may not want or care to learn how write system code but it doesn't mean your hero Apple should be the only one allowed to write any system code. You bring to mind those that faithfully go out every election and vote for a particular political party against their own interests because of skillfully propagated propaganda/PR.

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RE[4]: Crazy FSF
by JAlexoid on Thu 10th May 2012 13:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Crazy FSF"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

There's quite a bit of evidence out there that he's batshit crazy, he's not just another nerd.

https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public...


Crazy? That's not crazy. That's very sane, but very detailed and specific requirement list.
Crazy is when JLo slaps the maid in Boscolo(Rome) for the wrong kind of flowers... even though she did not request specific flowers.
RMS just seems to be very experienced with that and does not want to waste anyone's time or resources if the inviting party does not agree to something.

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