Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 11th May 2012 22:57 UTC
Windows "The new changes include several new lock-screen images, the Windows Store tile is now green, and the small magnifying glass in the bottom right corner when you scroll has changed to a simple square. While nothing major, they are representative of the across-the-board tweaks we expect to see when the Release Preview hits the digital shelves in June." So, nothing to address the core issues with Windows 8's mouse/keyboard-hostile environment. Sad.
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Comment by hoak
by hoak on Sat 12th May 2012 16:33 UTC
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Thom's remark about 'mouse/keyboard-hostile environment' ARE on the side of the facts; the Windows 8 UI is vastly more mouse/keyboard intensive, requiring more user input then the previous OS not less; this is NOT an improvement.

Remarks like 'it works fine' and 'you get used to it' also apply to living in caves, eating raw meat, going barefoot in winter and drinking out of the same pond you shit and piss in...

Where the Windows 8 UI could actually have offered improvements that made the Destop/Workstation application of the OS both more utilitarian, efficient and practical, along the lines of a TWM -- it does not...

Edited 2012-05-12 16:40 UTC

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RE: Comment by hoak
by viton on Sun 13th May 2012 11:11 in reply to "Comment by hoak"
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The same was said about GUI. Keyboard die-hards and text-mode masochists are resisted to use GUIs and mouse because it was in-effecient and slow.

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RE[2]: Comment by hoak
by hoak on Sun 13th May 2012 18:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by hoak"
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The same was said about GUI. Keyboard die-hards and text-mode masochists are resisted to use GUIs and mouse because it was in-effecient and slow.

That's an apples/oranges comparison; the premise of the discussion is Windows 7 and Windows 8 GUI design, and the point is that to accomplish the same tasks on Windows 8 requires more User input and interface manipulation then on Windows 7 -- more mouse and/or key presses, more movement through more interface discontinuity, more window manipulation, just to get to the same place.

Windows 8 is NOT an improvement, it's NOT progress in OS or interface design toward making the interface more transparent, seamless, and low drag with respect to actually using a PC to do anything productive. As a passive play-toy, or an end in itself in form without function I'm sure it's just 'Ducky'...

Edited 2012-05-13 18:25 UTC

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RE: Comment by hoak
by brion on Sun 13th May 2012 18:12 in reply to "Comment by hoak"
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For launching apps things seem reasonably keyboard-friendly. I'm used to hitting a hotkey, starting to type, then selecting the matching app (or website) in:

* web browsers (URL bar / awesomebar / etc)
* Mac OS X (Spotlight; used Quicksilver before Spotlight got fast enough)
* Windows 7 (Windows key -> Start menu)
* GNOME shell (GNOME-do before that)
* Unity (hud)

As to whether any particular Metro app is keyboard-friendly, well.... that's going to depend on the app developer to be smart -- same as with web pages and web applications which also might need to be used on both keyboard/mouse and touch devices.

As for the mouse, the biggest problem for me is the hotcorners: in a virtual machine or with multiple monitors, it's verrrrry hard to hit a hotcorner.

The mouse hotcorners and the touch swipe gestures are both kinda hard to discover, but I'm reasonably content with the swipes on a tablet once used to them.

Note that there are hotkeys for opening the charms:
windows+C -> open charms bar
windows+Q -> go straight to search

Unfortunately windows+Q doesn't play well with cmd+Q to quit in a VM on a Mac. ;)

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