Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th May 2012 22:49 UTC
Windows For weeks - if not months - I've been trying to come up with a way to succinctly and accurately explain why, exactly, Windows 8 rubs me the wrong way, usability-wise. I think I finally got it.
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RE[4]: No one gets it.
by ricegf on Tue 15th May 2012 11:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: No one gets it."
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Perhaps. Of course, Symbian and Windows Mobile are so entrenched in the smartphone world that we know THAT will never change - and after iOS ignored the obvious precedents and took over the smartphone world, how many articles did you read about how Android would never make a dent in iOS sales?

An alternate scenario is that the rise of web apps reduces the value proposition for Windows to the point that many people CAN switch, if an alternate platform receives some serious marketing dollars behind a compelling story. Bombers dropping ARM-based Ubuntu ultra laptops, TVs, and hybrid smartphones, per chance?

I'm not arguing that Windows WILL lose control of the desktop, but "it didn't happen with Vista" isn't a compelling argument that "it can't happen with Metro".

Yes, it can.

And if Windows goes the way of IE, and competition returns to desktops and laptops as it has to the web, it will be a Very Good Thing for the industry and its customers alike.

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RE[5]: No one gets it.
by Neolander on Tue 15th May 2012 12:26 in reply to "RE[4]: No one gets it."
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I do not say that it can't happen, but that it will take more than a single failed release with competitors that just stand still and offer no seriously compelling alternative.

You actually picked interesting examples with IE and Windows Mobile, because they illustrate that once they have reached the position of a major market actor, Microsoft can just leave their products stagnating and rotting for years before they start to lose some serious market share.

Symbian was killed by Nokia's own stupidity. They could have kept it for much longer if they actually took the time to clean up and refactor their faulty codebase instead of hiring that Elop chimp that just waved his arms screaming "Doom ! Doom !" while proposing an inferior product as an alternative.

So I stand my point that if Microsoft just pull a Vista with Windows 8, then understand their mistake and get a polished version released in no time (as happened with Win7), I am pretty sure that people will forgive. Only if they try to Metroize things for a very long time, in spite of obvious signs of failure, will they start to lose market share.

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RE[6]: No one gets it.
by ricegf on Wed 16th May 2012 10:04 in reply to "RE[5]: No one gets it."
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I agree, although (1) I don't think Microsoft's desktop competitors are standing still any longer by any stretch of the imagination, and (2) I think the alternatives are already quite compelling, what's needed is a brilliant marketing campaign to catch the market's imagination.

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RE[5]: No one gets it.
by cyrilleberger on Tue 15th May 2012 22:47 in reply to "RE[4]: No one gets it."
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Perhaps. Of course, Symbian and Windows Mobile are so entrenched in the smartphone world that we know THAT will never change

It is because people don't rely on their phones to do their job. Those who did at the time are blackberries users, and as you can see, they basically managed to keep their market share until 2010, and their unit shipment start decreasing only in 2011:

But people where relying on blackberries only for emails. That stuff is easily replaceable. It is less true for the gazillions of applications used in the industry (like Autocad...). And this is why Linux on the desktop has failed, and OSX share is stagnating.

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