Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th May 2012 22:49 UTC
Windows For weeks - if not months - I've been trying to come up with a way to succinctly and accurately explain why, exactly, Windows 8 rubs me the wrong way, usability-wise. I think I finally got it.
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RE[4]: um
by jnemesh on Tue 15th May 2012 16:04 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: um"
jnemesh
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2008-04-08

Worse...you can go to Linux! ;)

In all seriousness, this is going to finally push me to move to Linux. Although, really, its going to be less painful than my last attempt back in 2006...there is a LOT better support for the hardware that is out there, and software wise, there is a lot less compromise in the quality of available apps that run native under Linux.

People are starting to realize that they don't NEED Windows anymore. If you give them an alternative that works better, is more secure, and is actually easier to use than Windows, they WILL switch!

8 years ago, when I attempted to run Fedora 5, installing applications was a TOTAL pain! It took me HOURS just to get Adobe Flash working and playing nice with Firefox! Now, they have one-click installations and app stores. Click on what you want, and it loads. The geeky command line stuff is still there, but the average non-geek doesn't ever have to see it!

In short, the only thing going for Windows is MOMENTUM, and with Windows 8, they are going to kill even that advantage. By forcing people to learn a new OS regardless of what they choose, I think you will find many that are more willing to learn Linux than learn to live with Windows 8!

P.S. I don't even want to HEAR what you guys think about Windows 9...if Windows 9 is the saving grace of MS, they are DOOMED, because by the time Win9 is released, Windows in general will be even MORE irrelevant than it is now!

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RE[5]: um
by Jason Bourne on Wed 16th May 2012 00:00 in reply to "RE[4]: um"
Jason Bourne Member since:
2007-06-02

Linux users are very upset with GNOME Shell and Unity. A great part of users certainly are. I don't think going anywhere bleeding edge is useful now.

If you're a Windows guy, just stick with 7. If you're a Linux, I would advise to stick with RHEL/CentOS or Debian Stable.

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RE[6]: um
by kwan_e on Wed 16th May 2012 00:03 in reply to "RE[5]: um"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I don't think going anywhere bleeding edge is useful now.


...so, who do you think should be trying new and different things in user interfaces with the aim of a better understanding of usability issues?

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RE[6]: um
by Luke McCarthy on Thu 17th May 2012 09:19 in reply to "RE[5]: um"
Luke McCarthy Member since:
2005-07-06

GNOME Shell and Unity are just making themselves irrelevant. One great thing about Linux is that you have more than one desktop environment to choose. KDE, XFCE, MATE (fork of GNOME 2 in reaction to GNOME Shell), etc...

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RE[6]: um
by supergear on Thu 17th May 2012 20:41 in reply to "RE[5]: um"
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2007-07-06

If you don't like Gnome/Unity you could always use xfce or KDE or many other DEs/WMs

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RE[5]: um
by WereCatf on Wed 16th May 2012 01:17 in reply to "RE[4]: um"
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2006-02-15

In all seriousness, this is going to finally push me to move to Linux.


Why? Is there some reason why you can't use Windows 7? Is the release of Windows 8 somehow forcing you to move to a new OS from your old one?

I personally will just continue using my Windows 7 as I have done until now and wait for 3rd parties to solve the issues I have with Windows 8.

The geeky command line stuff is still there, but the average non-geek doesn't ever have to see it!


Oh, I wish that was true. But well, just recently I upgraded the Ubuntu-installation I had running to the newest release. It started out fine, but then the installation seemed to stall. I waited for a while, then clicked on the small arrow that brings up the terminal-window and guess what? There it was, waiting for me to input stuff. Later on when the installation finished Ubuntu needed a restart, but not surprisingly things went wrong again: the system refused to boot, it would only hang there with unmountable root filesystem. Turns out there was a bunch of modules and other packages missing.

And this was all on a very standard Ubuntu installation, I hadn't even so much as installed any custom themes on it. The only things I had installed were compilers and their relevant dev libraries. No new kernels, no binary-only drivers, no nothing like that.

My point is that I *still* often have to resort to command-line to fix stuff that gets broken for no good reason.

By forcing people to learn a new OS regardless of what they choose, I think you will find many that are more willing to learn Linux than learn to live with Windows 8!


That would be true in a parallel dimension, possibly, but in this dimension there is nothing stopping Joe Blow from just sticking with Windows 7. And when he buys a new PC he will just learn to use Windows 8, complain about it for a while, and then do nothing about it in the end.

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RE[6]: um
by freeweaver on Wed 16th May 2012 12:17 in reply to "RE[5]: um"
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2012-05-16

Why? Is there some reason why you can't use Windows 7? Is the release of Windows 8 somehow forcing you to move to a new OS from your old one?

I personally will just continue using my Windows 7 as I have done until now and wait for 3rd parties to solve the issues I have with Windows 8.



As you've suggested elsewhere, Metro is a future path for microsoft. They won't just dump the paradigm after pushing it so forcefully on people, else they'd be a bit silly.

So when people say that they may as well move to Linux, or, Lignux as i'd like to call it, they are saying that they do not want to use the metro interface for the foreseeable future of desktop computing, which is going to be around far longer then just Windows 8.


Oh, I wish that was true. But well, just recently I upgraded the Ubuntu-installation I had running to the newest release. It started out fine, but then the installation seemed to stall. I waited for a while, then clicked on the small arrow that brings up the terminal-window and guess what? There it was, waiting for me to input stuff. Later on when the installation finished Ubuntu needed a restart, but not surprisingly things went wrong again: the system refused to boot, it would only hang there with unmountable root filesystem. Turns out there was a bunch of modules and other packages missing.

And this was all on a very standard Ubuntu installation, I hadn't even so much as installed any custom themes on it. The only things I had installed were compilers and their relevant dev libraries. No new kernels, no binary-only drivers, no nothing like that.

My point is that I *still* often have to resort to command-line to fix stuff that gets broken for no good reason.



I don't understand your point here? You are suggesting that the command line is still needed right? but then you go on to give an example where the broblem was a geeky one - upgrading the OS. As a geek myself, I have NEVER come across any "normal" users that upgrade their OSs, have you? Usually they just ask someone like you or me to do it, right? So I fail to see where your example has merit. Perhaps you could give another...



That would be true in a parallel dimension, possibly, but in this dimension there is nothing stopping Joe Blow from just sticking with Windows 7. And when he buys a new PC he will just learn to use Windows 8, complain about it for a while, and then do nothing about it in the end.

And why not just learn a different OS? after all, we can see from the unprecedented growth of all things free and open source, that Microsoft is struggling to keep the "competition at bay.

I, as a geek have converted many, many computers over to Linux. The "normal" users computers I converted have become second nature to them, just like you say will happen for windows 8 converts.

So considering all this, why would you not suggest its a good idea to switch OSs? because its nothing to do with "ease of use".

Edited 2012-05-16 12:23 UTC

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