Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th May 2012 22:49 UTC
Windows For weeks - if not months - I've been trying to come up with a way to succinctly and accurately explain why, exactly, Windows 8 rubs me the wrong way, usability-wise. I think I finally got it.
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Just because mouse is the past
by zhuravlik on Tue 15th May 2012 18:35 UTC
zhuravlik
Member since:
2009-08-24

Maybe Microsoft just tries to say that mouse is an outdated device?

Now is the age of input revolution. Capacitive multi-touch screens, kinect. Ways to interact with computer become more human-oriented.

In such a world, there is really no place for traditional desktop experience. We need the new generation of user interfaces. No one is sure how it should look like, and how it should react to our actions, and what feedback it should provide.

But everyone tries to eat his own piece of market. That's why, there are too much curious but unusable (at least currently) solutions.

Just wait - new input devices are to come, new form-factors of computers are to come.

Of course, there is no guarantee they will be free. On the contrary, they will be technically limited and restricted to their specific features. Manufacturers will try to avoid rivals by locking devices, will try to satisfy lawyers by using hardware-based DRM tools, will try to force you buy other devices of the same manufacturer.

But it is clear that Apple led us to the end of general-purpose computing devices.
Windows Mobile and Palm devices were really devices for professionals who needed to do their work on the road.

iPhone was the first real concept of feature-limited, but revolutionary device. Not because of capacitive screen. Because it was presented as a device for general public. For everyone's desire. The toy everyone wants. Not because it was best or unique. It was properly marketed.

Android and Windows Phone came to finish the process.

Several days ago I saw Microsoft's ad in subway. It told: "Windows: to be a family" (maybe my translation is not strict). Yes, this is the thing every manufacturer wants: a family of feature-limited devices using the same platform everyone wants to buy.

The thing is not good. It is just bad. But it is the market. General-purpose machines will stay here, but for the majority of ordinary people there won't be any need in them.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22


iPhone was the first real concept of feature-limited, but revolutionary device. Not because of capacitive screen. Because it was presented as a device for general public. For everyone's desire. The toy everyone wants. Not because it was best or unique. It was properly marketed.


Not that old trope again. Apple's marketing is very good but the success of it's products, the reason it can enter and utterly disrupt established markets, are much more profound and significant (and interesting) than marketing.

My view of Windows 8 is that not only is it yet another example of Microsoft playing desperate and fumbled catch up to the innovations of others, but it is actually another example of Microsoft falling into traps laid by Apple. Microsoft's gut instinct is to protect the Windows brand at all costs, thus the counter productive branding of their phone OS as 'Windows' and what appears to be an ill fated attempt to blend a touch based OS with a desktop OS. Maybe Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull a sensational come back but I cannot see it happening. Can you imagine the pain of introducing Windows 8 into a corporate setting let along trying to get your Dad to run it. Windows 8 could be the most complex suicide note in history.

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zhuravlik Member since:
2009-08-24


Apple's marketing is very good but the success of it's products, the reason it can enter and utterly disrupt established markets


I don't think market they entered was fully established. They just found the gap to fill.



thus the counter productive branding of their phone OS as 'Windows'


Windows Mobile was a very successful mobile platform. It was 'Windows', too. ;)


to blend a touch based OS with a desktop OS.

Why not? There are several desktops and laptops with touch screens. Also, interface is not touch-only oriented, though it is definitely not mouse-oriented, I agree.


Can you imagine the pain of introducing Windows 8 into a corporate setting let along trying to get your Dad to run it.

Windows 3.1 was described in one book as a "useless thing which wastes CPU cycles over plain DOS and brings an unusable device called 'mouse', which provides no advantages over command line, and only forces user to perform unneeded activity for simple commands".
It is the matter of time. One day non-computer business will not deal with general-purpose computers at all.

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Not that old trope again. Apple's marketing is very good but the success of it's products, the reason it can enter and utterly disrupt established markets, are much more profound and significant (and interesting) than marketing.


No, marketing is much more significant and profound. Marketing speaks to the human urge of material possession. It is a much more profound force than "making good products". That's just the rationalization people like to give when they surrender to their basic primate urges.

Microsoft falling into traps laid by Apple.


Please. Talk about reading too much into something.

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