Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th May 2012 18:28 UTC
Apple "I think that Apple could be just as strong and good and be open, but how can you challenge it when a company is making that much money?", Wozniak told a crowd in Sydney, according to ITNews. They'd score so many brownie points the internet would explode.
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MOS6510
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2011-05-12

Of course it's about control, Apple has always been about that.

But it's not control to enslave humanity or to annoy customers, it's to guarantee an experience. Sure, it's an Apple dictated one, but you have a choice if you like it or not. If you don't buy something else. A cheap PC running Linux can make a great system.

And I can understand people not liking it, certainly not the more adventurous users. I'm up for an adventure, but not regarding my phone or main computer. These things need to work as I don't have the luxury to spend hours fixing them and when I was younger I have been in a number of situation where I messed up my boot sector and spend hours fixing stuff.

iOS is pretty simple and it only has one way of installing software. This makes it easy for the masses. What may seem simple to you and me isn't for a lot of people. When I ask someone over the phone to type a slash or even press the Windows start button people start getting confused.

Just the thought of an app being in one app store and not in an other will confuse a lot of people a lot and they'll probably blame their iPhone and/or Apple. Hell, some would probably return their phone thinking it's broken.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"But it's not control to enslave humanity or to annoy customers, it's to guarantee an experience."


It's to eliminate competition. Apple bans applications that are neither a security risk nor pose a bad experience because they reduce apple's own control and give owners a choice.


"And I can understand people not liking it, certainly not the more adventurous users. I'm up for an adventure, but not regarding my phone or main computer. These things need to work as I don't have the luxury to spend hours fixing them and when I was younger I have been in a number of situation where I messed up my boot sector and spend hours fixing stuff."

Do you want me to take that seriously? That if apple gave you a choice, you'd have to spend hours fixing problems with your boot loader?

This is what bothers me with your logic: you act like the apple app store and choice are somehow exclusive. Why would users like you, when given a choice in the matter, automatically have to get a worse experience than today? They wouldn't, how your speaking makes no sense. Given a choice, you'd continue to use apple's store, end of story. There's no need to deny anyone else the choice.

Edited 2012-05-16 17:47 UTC

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12


It's to eliminate competition. Apple bans applications that are neither a security risk nor pose a bad experience because they reduce apple's own control and give owners a choice.


Well, they can go out and choose from a very large number of alternatives. A couple even look like iOS devices.


Do you want me to take that seriously? That if apple gave you a choice, you'd have to spend hours fixing problems with your boot loader?


No, it was an example of what can happen if you are allowed freedom and are of the adventurous kind. I could give other examples, like drivers and spending time to get your colors and resolution back. Or trying to get your printer/scanner to work. Or the WiFi card.

I have never had to do a clean reinstall of OS X or had to restore my <any other Apple device>. I do have those experiences with Windows and Linux. And so do other people, because they call me to fix it. Apple users don't call me. That's not to say Apple stuff never has any problems, but they do have a lot less problems.


This is what bothers me with your logic: you act like the apple app store and choice are somehow exclusive. Why would users like you, when given a choice in the matter, automatically have to get a worse experience than today? They wouldn't, how your speaking makes no sense. Given a choice, you'd continue to use apple's store, end of story. There's no need to deny anyone else the choice.


I am not denying anyone a choice and *I* wouldn't mind alternative browsers or programming languages in to the app store. But I do understand why Apple prefers strict control, because they want to control the entire "experience". This is apparently working and selling a lot of stuff, so it's hard to blame them for it even though you don't agree with it.

I personally didn't agree with the temporary Dropbox ban, or the ban of the DOS emulator, the ban of the C64 emulator with BASIC backdoor, taking VLC out of the store. If you give me a list with banned stuff I can probably name more things I don't agree with.

You seem to think I support Apple's every move, which I don't, but I do understand most of their moves from their standpoint. So I understand why they want one app store, because having two complicates matters. You'd have two catalogues of apps, two different accounts. A lot of people don't even know what version of Windows they are using, imaging them calling support and getting asked in which app store they have a problem. Now I have one account which I can use on my iPhone, iPad and iMac.

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