Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 17th May 2012 09:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless So, the new HTC phones are facing delays in the US, and they now ship with a slightly modified US-specific Android build which removes data tapping and sports an altered app associations screen to avoid Apple's patents. This is step one. Step two is companies avoiding the litigious and anti-consumer messes that are the US and German markets altogether. Clearly, IP laws are working to the benefit of the consumer and the market as a whole. Great work guys.
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How "original"
by wocowboy on Thu 17th May 2012 10:01 UTC
wocowboy
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2006-06-01

Doing what they should have been doing in the first place, shipping products that don't infringe on someone else's patents without first licensing those patents. What a concept! Good for them.

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RE: How "original"
by bhtooefr on Thu 17th May 2012 10:34 in reply to "How "original""
bhtooefr Member since:
2009-02-19

The problem is that the things in question shouldn't be patented at all.

A hardware patent is a kind of source code - more of pseudocode, as you have to implement the details yourself, but still... (I'd actually like to see hardware patents go into more detail, though, on things like that.) It's an interesting idea, in that it gives how to make a novel thing to the public domain, in exchange for a temporary monopoly on that thing.

Software patents can't really be called pseudocode at all, though. They tend to patent the concept of something, not an implementation.

This "data tapping" patent, for instance, is an example of a simple concept being implemented. They hook a parser up to a menu of actions. They do explain the basic structure of their concept, but they don't demonstrate specific methods for implementing their concept.

Really, on software patents, the patent application should include source code.

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RE[2]: How "original"
by andydread on Thu 17th May 2012 11:45 in reply to "RE: How "original""
andydread Member since:
2009-02-02

I agree. If I had the money I would sue Apple to disclose the source code for everything they are suing people over. Patents are for the promotion of the progress of useful arts. It is so the public can know how your invention works. If you don't disclose how your invention works (source code) you are not promoting the progress of useful arts.

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RE: How "original"
by andydread on Thu 17th May 2012 11:40 in reply to "How "original""
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2009-02-02

Doing what they should have been doing in the first place, shipping products that don't infringe on someone else's patents without first licensing those patents. What a concept! Good for them.


FUCK you. If it was up to you and Apple only Apple would be allowed to write any code. The fact that you cannot sit down in front of your computer and write popular useful system code without Apple suing the shit out of you over dubious software patents that did not exist when Apple was a growing company is asinine. Patents should not exist on software. So u think apple created the idea of hyperlinking a phone # to an application? This is madness. And the fact that you advocate for this crap leaves me wondering what the fuck are you doing on a forum about operating systems. You don't give a damn about tech.

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RE[2]: How "original"
by JAlexoid on Thu 17th May 2012 12:59 in reply to "RE: How "original""
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

you cannot sit down in front of your computer and write (...) code without (infringing some software, aka process, patents)

FTFY. And tone it down a bit.

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RE[2]: How "original"
by wocowboy on Fri 18th May 2012 10:57 in reply to "RE: How "original""
wocowboy Member since:
2006-06-01

Wow, did I say all of that? LOL Whether software patents are legal, necessary, or proper, or should be thrown out wholesale is a whole other topic. And for the record, I AGREE that software patents are stupid, but they exist, so until someone changes the associated laws, both people and companies must abide by those laws.

So, the fact remains, that a court found that HTC's phones infringe some of Apple's copyrights, and they should have licensed them before shipping phones to this country. That's pretty simple. They might even also infringe on other companies' patents as well, but those have not been adjudicated. Therefore, HTC could have avoided this situation by licensing the patents from anyone involved, but they decided not to and just go ahead and ship their phones, and got caught at it. I suppose if you think that banks are unethical institutions, then that makes it OK to go rob a bank instead of going into the bank and applying for a loan if you want money?

Edited 2012-05-18 11:00 UTC

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