Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st May 2012 20:03 UTC
Windows For Microsoft, the traditional desktop is old news. It's on its way out, it's legacy, and the harder they claim the desktop has equal rights, the sillier it becomes. With companies, words are meaningless, it's actions that matter, and here Microsoft's actions tell the real story. The company has announced the product line-up for Visual Studio 11, and the free Express can no longer be used to create desktop applications. Message is clear.
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RE: What will their use be?
by lucas_maximus on Mon 21st May 2012 21:59 UTC in reply to "What will their use be?"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

Express Editions are for hobby and education use only. They aren't supposed to be "hardcore coding suites".

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RE[2]: What will their use be?
by Vanders on Mon 21st May 2012 22:15 in reply to "RE: What will their use be?"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Express Editions are for hobby and education use only.


How does that preclude developers wanting to use them for non-Metro applications?

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Because they are learning Environments, that is it.

One does not need WinForm, WPF and all the other gumpth to do some simple app programming.

If you want to develop non-metro application there is the older VS Express Editions (you can still download the old versions) or use a different framework of your choice.

Edited 2012-05-21 22:30 UTC

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Moreover, the Express editions have been licensed to allow use for commercial development since the 2008 release.

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RE[2]: What will their use be?
by sithlord2 on Tue 22nd May 2012 07:28 in reply to "RE: What will their use be?"
sithlord2 Member since:
2009-04-02

Messing with native Windows API calls IS my hobby :-p

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RE[2]: What will their use be?
by howitzer86 on Tue 22nd May 2012 18:15 in reply to "RE: What will their use be?"
howitzer86 Member since:
2008-02-27

Is that officially or just in your opinion? I work for a general contractor and had to read the EULA line by line to make sure I wasn't violating it by installing it there. My goal was to make plugins for Autodesk Revit 2013. After reading it, I concluded that there was no barrier to my usage of it in a company, for a company.

At the moment, I'm worried about future access to Express if I need to reinstall it... or if I'll actually have to use Windows 8 at work just to use VS 11, which will also have to be bought this time, JUST to make plugins for a future version of Revit. Programming by-the-way is not my primary function, if I end up having to request new software purchases, they may just decide not to bother and I'll just have to not make my plugins at work.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Yes there is nothing stopping you from using it, but the primary target for Express is learning and hobbyists.

I have made small commercial websites using Express and you can certainly make useful things, but you are missing out on some of the more useful aspects of Visual Studio.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Express Editions are for hobby and education use only. They aren't supposed to be "hardcore coding suites".


No, incorrect. Microsoft lifted that restriction 4 years ago. Also, SQL Server Express has no restrictions about commercial use either now.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I appreciate the restrictions been lifted, but the Visual Studio Express is soo cut down, you can make a small e-commerce website out of it.

It is still meant for learning and hobbyists.

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