Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st May 2012 20:03 UTC
Windows For Microsoft, the traditional desktop is old news. It's on its way out, it's legacy, and the harder they claim the desktop has equal rights, the sillier it becomes. With companies, words are meaningless, it's actions that matter, and here Microsoft's actions tell the real story. The company has announced the product line-up for Visual Studio 11, and the free Express can no longer be used to create desktop applications. Message is clear.
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RE[2]: No problem
by Nth_Man on Tue 22nd May 2012 11:33 UTC in reply to "RE: No problem"
Nth_Man
Member since:
2010-05-16

The Qt creator
http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools
installer includes everything to start developing applications. And it's free/libre software :-) .

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RE[3]: No problem
by MORB on Tue 22nd May 2012 12:00 in reply to "RE[2]: No problem"
MORB Member since:
2005-07-06

Yep, just use qt creator.

Visual C++ is a terrible IDE anyway, and Qt is a much better toolkit than microsoft ever managed to make (I've used MFC, windows forms and WPF, and they're all shit in a way or another)

No big loss.

Edited 2012-05-22 12:00 UTC

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RE[3]: No problem
by pgquiles on Tue 22nd May 2012 20:15 in reply to "RE[2]: No problem"
pgquiles Member since:
2006-07-16

Ironically Qt Creator 2.5, released last week, no longer includes MinGW. They removed it because of legal reasons:

"updating the shipped version is a legal hassle as long as the binaries are provided through Nokia"

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/05/09/qt-creator-2-5-0-released/

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RE[4]: No problem
by Nth_Man on Wed 23rd May 2012 00:25 in reply to "RE[3]: No problem"
Nth_Man Member since:
2010-05-16

Pau: ja m'has fastidiat :-)

Thanks! While they work on the new Qt SDK version, which would include Qt Creator 2.5, in https://qt.nokia.com/downloads we are reminded that "Qt Creator IDE can also be downloaded as a standalone application, although we recommend to get it via the SDK".

The present Qt SDK version, 1.2.1, released on April 11th, that can be downloaded from https://qt.nokia.com/downloads, contains:
- Qt libraries version 4.8.1
- Simulator for Symbian phones and the Nokia N9
- Qt Creator IDE version 2.4.1
- Qt Mobility version 1.2
- Qt development tools
- Remote compilers
In Windows, that is
- Online installer - 15 MB
- Offline installer - 1.7 GB
1.7 GB only if someone wants to install *everything* (!)

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RE[4]: No problem
by darkcoder on Wed 23rd May 2012 01:02 in reply to "RE[3]: No problem"
darkcoder Member since:
2006-07-14

Ironically Qt Creator 2.5, released last week, no longer includes MinGW. They removed it because of legal reasons:

"updating the shipped version is a legal hassle as long as the binaries are provided through Nokia"

http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2012/05/09/qt-creator-2-5-0-released/

But you forgot to specify that Nokia said their main reason is that the compiler is already provided in the SDK, and wanted the IDE to be more independent (used by people who has latest MinGW installed).

Edited 2012-05-23 01:03 UTC

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