Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th May 2012 14:55 UTC
General Unix James Hague: "But all the little bits of complexity, all those cases where indecision caused one option that probably wasn't even needed in the first place to be replaced by two options, all those bad choices that were never remedied for fear of someone somewhere having to change a line of code... They slowly accreted until it all got out of control, and we got comfortable with systems that were impossible to understand." Counterpoint by John Cook: "Some of the growth in complexity is understandable. It's a lot easier to maintain an orthogonal design when your software isn't being used. Software that gets used becomes less orthogonal and develops diagonal shortcuts." If there's ever been a system in dire need of a complete redesign, it's UNIX and its derivatives. A mess doesn't even begin to describe it (for those already frantically reaching for the comment button, note that this applies to other systems as well).
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RE: Compatibility and closed minds
by bnolsen on Fri 25th May 2012 22:57 UTC in reply to "Compatibility and closed minds"
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

posix layer has existed for a very long time. MS has a gigantic case of NIH due to its desire to lock in its users.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

posix layer has existed for a very long time. MS has a gigantic case of NIH due to its desire to lock in its users.

To be fair to them, I'm sure that having a member of the VMS team in power during NT's design and development didn't help.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

On the other hand, the VMS guys was obviously the only skilled low-level people they had.

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

posix layer has existed for a very long time. MS has a gigantic case of NIH due to its desire to lock in its users.


Like any other OS vendor that does not sell UNIX based OS.

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renox Member since:
2005-07-06

posix layer has existed for a very long time. MS has a gigantic case of NIH due to its desire to lock in its users.

You totally misunderstood my post, I was pointing out that PowerShell should have been a wake-up call for Unix users: it shows that relying on objects instead of text to pipe between executables has many advantages, but nearly nobody thought about it seriously as it comes from Microsoft..

I despise Microsoft as a company too, but this doesn't mean that the technical idea behind PowerShell isn't good, IMHO it has many advantages over the traditionnal text based Unix interfaces.

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