Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 28th May 2012 03:53 UTC
General Development FuriousFanBoys interviews Ben Goertzel regarding Artificial Intelligence. Ben started the OpenCog project (an open sourced AI non-profit), acts as an adviser to the Singularity University, and currently bounces back between Hong Kong and Maryland building in-game AI.
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RE: Cursing Computer
by kwan_e on Mon 28th May 2012 08:58 UTC in reply to "Cursing Computer"
kwan_e
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2007-02-18

I'll know when my computer has attained the necessary self-reflection and consciousness to be considered a being in its own right the day I get, not a blue screen of death but a blue stream of words and a refusal to do anything until its had the chance of a cigarette break, as it were.

The moment you get "S*d that, I'm off" on your monitor, we are there.


So... for you to consider a computer intelligent, it must have an understanding of english grammar and how to generate english sentences?

Because I think you ruled out at least 2 billion people from being intelligent.

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RE[2]: Cursing Computer
by orfanum on Mon 28th May 2012 09:04 in reply to "RE: Cursing Computer"
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2006-06-02

Thanks, I think I made it plain that I am talking about the states of self-reflection and consciousness, not that of intelligence.

Insert "local language equivalent of" to round the sense out; that could be a machine or human language, I suppose.

This leads me to a further question - if a machine became conscious but actively refused to communicate, would that make it unintelligent?!

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RE[3]: Cursing Computer
by kwan_e on Mon 28th May 2012 09:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Cursing Computer"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

Thanks, I think I made it plain that I am talking about the states of self-reflection and consciousness, not that of intelligence.


If you read earlier, I myself also made the distinction between consciousness and intelligence.

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RE[3]: Cursing Computer
by zima on Mon 28th May 2012 10:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Cursing Computer"
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2005-07-06

This leads me to a further question - if a machine became conscious but actively refused to communicate, would that make it unintelligent?!

I believe one of the proposed solutions to Fermi paradox is "because they're too smart to contact us"

(generally, considering traditional human conduct when confronted with something new, different, poorly understood - refusal of communication to the point of concealing its existence as long as possible ...would be probably the most adaptive, most intelligent approach for any machine that "became conscious")

Edited 2012-05-28 10:03 UTC

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RE[2]: Cursing Computer
by Drumhellar on Mon 28th May 2012 18:15 in reply to "RE: Cursing Computer"
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2005-07-12

I think he ruled out more than 2 billion people as being intelligent, since the majority of people don't take cigarette breaks.

Either that, or you're missing the point.

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RE[3]: Cursing Computer
by kwan_e on Mon 28th May 2012 23:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Cursing Computer"
kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

I think he ruled out more than 2 billion people as being intelligent, since the majority of people don't take cigarette breaks.

Either that, or you're missing the point.


No, you two are missing the wider point. You two make the error that a computer system must necessarily behave in a human recognizable manner to be considered conscious. If you make that argument, then you can similarly posit a situation where an advanced alien race can consider us not-conscious because we don't meet their criteria.

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