Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 28th May 2012 03:53 UTC
General Development FuriousFanBoys interviews Ben Goertzel regarding Artificial Intelligence. Ben started the OpenCog project (an open sourced AI non-profit), acts as an adviser to the Singularity University, and currently bounces back between Hong Kong and Maryland building in-game AI.
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RE[3]: Memetics
by JAlexoid on Mon 28th May 2012 10:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Memetics"
JAlexoid
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Independent decision making and deduction are not yet achieved by AI; and are definitely not described by consciousness.

Though if AI acquires consciousness then it might be easier to get to independent decision making and deduction.

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RE[4]: Memetics
by orfanum on Mon 28th May 2012 10:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Memetics"
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I think you have nailed it - very succinctly and forensically put. I wasn't able to get there myself but I think your distinction here is the most helpful one yet.

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RE[4]: Memetics
by kwan_e on Mon 28th May 2012 15:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Memetics"
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Independent decision making and deduction are not yet achieved by AI; and are definitely not described by consciousness.

Though if AI acquires consciousness then it might be easier to get to independent decision making and deduction.


Can we prove humans have independent decision making? Sam Harris, a neuroscientist, doesn't seem to think so. In fact, using fMRIs (or some other brain scanning I forget), scientists can predict the choices people make seconds before they make them.

Deduction, yes, but are we even sure how humans "deduce"? And human "deduction" is scientifically proven to be very error prone. Are we sure we want to judge AC?I by a provably bad intelligence?

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RE[5]: Memetics
by Drumhellar on Mon 28th May 2012 19:37 in reply to "RE[4]: Memetics"
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2005-07-12

I hate modern philosophers, especially when they use degrees in science to add credibility to what are essentially non-scientific premises. The concept of "free will" isn't something born out of science; it is something born out of philosophy. In this regard, it matters not that Sam Harris is a neuroscientist. He could be a janitor, and be equally prepared to answer the question.

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RE[5]: Memetics
by JAlexoid on Tue 29th May 2012 04:56 in reply to "RE[4]: Memetics"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Can we prove humans have independent decision making?

Individual level - yes, limited in scope. (Proof lies in the fact that a person can evaluate and select an appropriate food source, without prior knowledge of said food source)
As species - yes, unlimited in scope.

No AI can boast either, to my knowledge.

The main reason why is that we are building AI systems top down, most of the time. Watson is a good example of starting in the middle - logic is there, but not the data.

Deduction, yes, but are we even sure how humans "deduce"?

If we can frame it in some algorithmic way, then it would be great.

What I can say, is that the human brain is the ultimate pattern matching engine.

Edited 2012-05-29 05:13 UTC

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