Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th May 2012 14:55 UTC
James Hague: "But all the little bits of complexity, all those cases where indecision caused one option that probably wasn't even needed in the first place to be replaced by two options, all those bad choices that were never remedied for fear of someone somewhere having to change a line of code... They slowly accreted until it all got out of control, and we got comfortable with systems that were impossible to understand." Counterpoint by John Cook: "Some of the growth in complexity is understandable. It's a lot easier to maintain an orthogonal design when your software isn't being used. Software that gets used becomes less orthogonal and develops diagonal shortcuts." If there's ever been a system in dire need of a complete redesign, it's UNIX and its derivatives. A mess doesn't even begin to describe it (for those already frantically reaching for the comment button, note that this applies to other systems as well).
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RE[2]: Comment by kurkosdr
by Alfman on Mon 28th May 2012 18:24
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tidux,
"Wow, you really don't understand the Unix filesystem."
I don't think that the OP's opinion demonstrates any lack of understanding. For some *nix filesystems can seem cumbersome and it's a valid opinion.
For me, linux mounting is a nice abstraction, but sometimes I'm put off by the lack of overlays in the mainline kernel. I shouldn't have to have to store all /home/ directories on one disk for example. Overlooking several caveats, we can mimic overlays manually using symlinks, but linux's mount capabilities are occasionally inadequate.
A bigger problem for me is the standard linux directory hierarchy. I prefer an application centric hierarchy rather than one where everything is dumped together in the big /usr/bin soup pot.
RE[3]: Comment by kurkosdr
by tidux on Tue 29th May 2012 03:51
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Um... you don't have to put all the home directories on one disk. Nobody said you absolutely have to assign $HOME values within /home, although it is easiest.
http://sprunge.us/BUCV
That's the output of "df -h" on sdf.org, a NetBSD shell provider I use. My home directory isn't in /home at all, but in /arpa/tz.
RE[3]: Comment by kurkosdr
by Doc Pain on Tue 29th May 2012 04:52
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I shouldn't have to have to store all /home/ directories on one disk for example.
You don't have to. Home directories can be spread across many disks, they can even be placed on "no (local) disk" (see NFS home).
A bigger problem for me is the standard linux directory hierarchy. I prefer an application centric hierarchy rather than one where everything is dumped together in the big /usr/bin soup pot.
True, there are options to do it differently. For example, PC-BSD utilizes a concept as what you are suggesting. Still this may have disadvantages, e. g. doubled and tripled libraries. But as hard disk space is cheap, nobody sees a problem in this.
However, the traditional layout has advantages and intended baheviour, even if it's hard to see this on modern Linux where, as you said, things tend to be thrown into one pot.
Allow me to point you to the FreeBSD file system hierarchy documentation, "man 7 hier", for a more detailed description about what the different directories should be used for:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hier&sektion=7
In addition to them, some systems even use /opt (directory initially coming from Solaris, if I remember correctly) to manually manage software that is not handled by the system's software magement facilities, so avoiding problems with standard tools.
RE[3]: Comment by kurkosdr
by Vanders on Tue 29th May 2012 10:38
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Member since:2005-07-06
For me, linux mounting is a nice abstraction, but sometimes I'm put off by the lack of overlays in the mainline kernel. I shouldn't have to have to store all /home/ directories on one disk for example. Overlooking several caveats, we can mimic overlays manually using symlinks, but linux's mount capabilities are occasionally inadequate.
Linux has supported bind mounts since kernel 2.4.0
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Linked by Thom Holwerda on 06/13/13 14:35 UTC
The third and final WWDC product I want to talk about is - of course - OS X 10.9 Mavericks. While iOS 7 was clearly the focus of this year's WWDC, its venerable desktop counterpart certainly wasn't left behind. Apple announced OS X 10.9 Mavericks, the first OS X release not to carry the name of a big cat.
Linked by Thom Holwerda on 06/11/13 17:07 UTC
We already talked about iOS 7 yesterday (after a night of sleep, it's only looking worse and worse - look at this, for Fiona's sake!), so now it's time to talk about the downright stunning and belly flutters-inducing new Mac Pro. As former owner and huge, huge, huge fan of the PowerMac G4 Cube - I haven't been this excited about an Apple product since, well, I would say the iMac G4. This is the Apple I used to love.
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Apple held its big keynote event thing at WWDC earlier this evening, but since I was away with friends I've had to read up on it later in the evening. The company announced iOS 7, OS X 10.9 Mavericks, and they gave a preview of the new Mac Pro. Especially the Mac Pro impressed me, and while iOS 7's new Holo/Metro-inspired theme looks messy and garish to me, I do commend Apple for finally breaking the mold. This news item will focus on iOS 7 - I'll dive into the Mac Pro and OS X 10.9 tomorrow (it's late here now).
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Assigning "/" to the hardrrive the OS is installed in and make everything else appear as a subfolder is silly
Wow, you really don't understand the Unix filesystem. The drive mounted as / is specified in /etc/fstab, and the physical drive files are located in /dev/. Some people mount /usr separately, some mount /var separately, and a lot of people using *nix at home mount /home separately. The beauty of the Unix filesystem is that nobody freaking cares what your partition scheme is unless you're running out of room. Mounting remote filesystems is completely transparent once they're mounted. Even NT does this internally; it only keeps drive letters as links because people are retarded and incapable of change.