Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 28th May 2012 19:25 UTC
In the News This topic comes up quite a lot on technology websites, but I generally try to steer clear from it as much as possible, since I'm not the one to talk about it (you know, with me being a man and all that), however, I feel it might be a good idea to just get my opinion out there and be done with it. The topic of women in IT is a hot-button issue, so let me just go out guns blazing: assuming women need special treatment, help, protection, and affirmative action is just as insulting and degrading as outright claiming women have no place in IT - maybe even more so.
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Hmh.
by WereCatf on Tue 29th May 2012 09:57 UTC
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2006-02-15

Personally, I don't expect or even want any kind of special treatment just because of my gender, it'd feel rather insulting if I got some sort of bonuses because I happen to have breasts. If I am going to work with other people I want to be at the same level with them, anything else will just foster bad atmosphere, like e.g. if you only get the job because you're female then you're much more likely to be shunned by your co-workers or you need to work extra hard to prove to them that you still earn that spot you got.

Yes, some women have trouble working in male-dominated areas, but...well, what I have seen has more-or-less always been that those women were brought up as princesses and were taught to always expect special treatment. If they are brought up like that then obviously they'll run into trouble when they don't get such treatment anymore. This is easy to solve, though it requires a decade or two for the next generation to come up to speed: stop effing bringing up your daughters like some delicate little flowers. Let them do what they feel interested in, don't try to push them in any specific direction and let them enjoy "boyish" adventures, toys and entertainment if they feel like it. Introduce them to electronics, rough sports and climbing in trees just as much as you introduce them to playing home or cooking. They'll grow up to be much more stable and will do just fine later on in their lives even if they end up in male-dominated jobs.

As for women leaving the scene to build a family: well, that is pretty damn self-explanatory. Men cannot get pregnant. That's all I need to say. And no, we do not need some fancy laws to try and "correct" this situation as it's an entirely biological thing that no laws can change, no matter how much you want.

Disclaimer: I'm not working in IT since I'm unemployed so my opinions may or may not even be valid. I would like to work in IT, though, so maybe my opinions matter to someone.

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RE: Hmh.
by Neolander on Tue 29th May 2012 17:58 in reply to "Hmh."
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2010-03-08

As for women leaving the scene to build a family: well, that is pretty damn self-explanatory. Men cannot get pregnant. That's all I need to say. And no, we do not need some fancy laws to try and "correct" this situation as it's an entirely biological thing that no laws can change, no matter how much you want.

I globally agree with your post, but can't agree with this part of your reasoning. Sure, men can't get pregnant themselves, but they can get others pregnant, and when they knowingly do it to someone who trusts them, I believe it's their moral responsibility to make sure that the event doesn't ruin the professional life of the mother.

After all, we are more or less half-responsible for the existence of them annoying screaming little brat... And for us lucky people, the whole thing is much more straightforward than for the ones who have to bear the children.

(But, on a totally unrelated note, someone should really invent a reliable masculine contraceptive pill)

Edited 2012-05-29 18:03 UTC

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RE[2]: Hmh.
by WereCatf on Wed 30th May 2012 00:50 in reply to "RE: Hmh."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I globally agree with your post, but can't agree with this part of your reasoning. Sure, men can't get pregnant themselves, but they can get others pregnant, and when they knowingly do it to someone who trusts them, I believe it's their moral responsibility to make sure that the event doesn't ruin the professional life of the mother.


It's not really up to the father: a woman is the one who has to carry the child for 9 months with all the negative side-effects that entails and which affect job-performance, a woman is the one who has to breast-feed the child since most men cannot do that, and if the parent is responsible she won't put the child in daycare for atleast the first 3 years.

After the 3 years the father could choose to stay at home with the child and let the woman go back to work, but such a long break from work can really make it hard to go back, and most men still refuse to be the ones taking care of the children. That area is one where more men could grow some balls and take charge of caring for the children at home, that I agree with. It just doesn't seem to be happening.

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