Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 11:11 UTC
Fedora Core "Fedora 18 will be released at around the same time as Windows 8, and as previously discussed all Windows 8 hardware will be shipping with secure boot enabled by default. [...] We've been working on a plan for dealing with this. It's not ideal, but of all the approaches we've examined we feel that this one offers the best balance between letting users install Fedora while still permitting user freedom." Wait for it... "Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key."
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RE: Comment by Radio
by bouhko on Thu 31st May 2012 13:11 UTC in reply to "Comment by Radio"
bouhko
Member since:
2010-06-24

Although I think Fedora is doing the right thing (the other option being to let the user down - which won't do any good), I had the same reaction as you upon reading the article.

It's not even the 99$, it's the fact that in the future, alternative OS will have to be approved by Microsoft to be able to boot on hardware that people *bought*.

I sincerely hope the EU gets an investigation going about Microsoft on this topic. If this is not monopoly abuse, I don't know what this is.

Btw, I'm looking forward to the hacking conference following the Windows 8 release that will reveal that a way around this whole signing shit has been found.

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RE[2]: Comment by Radio
by Doc Pain on Thu 31st May 2012 13:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by Radio"
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2006-10-08

It's not even the 99$, it's the fact that in the future, alternative OS will have to be approved by Microsoft to be able to boot on hardware that people *bought*.


That just sounds wrong, by two interpretations (maybe exaggerated, but potential future):

The first one being, a product in competition on a certain market needs the approval of the competitor. If the vendor of the concurrent product doesn't provide approval, the competing won't work.

Huh? Free market with competition anyone? Hello?

The second one may be similar to already established marketing and sales models. By purchasing something, you're not purchasing the thing physically in order to excercise your will on it (because it now belongs to you - you've paid for it). Instead, your payment allows you to exercise a limited set of rights on the device. The amount and kind of rights, as well as maybe their temporal availability, is controlled by the vendor of the product - the one you gave money to. This sounds a lot like a typical renting model for flats.

I sincerely hope the EU gets an investigation going about Microsoft on this topic. If this is not monopoly abuse, I don't know what this is.


We'll see. You know that a lot of governments depend on the good will of MICROS~1 to function. Never bite the hand that feeds you.

And don't rely on customers "waking up" and demanding a chance. They will always use what they are offered by a benevolent company that only wants their best.

Those who already denied following MICROS~1 will probably have a hard time finding hardware they can use in the future.

Btw, I'm looking forward to the hacking conference following the Windows 8 release that will reveal that a way around this whole signing shit has been found.


Soon, it won't be about hacking software, but hacking hardware to bring it back into "normal state".

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RE[3]: Comment by Radio
by JAlexoid on Thu 31st May 2012 19:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Radio"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

We'll see. You know that a lot of governments depend on the good will of MICROS~1 to function. Never bite the hand that feeds you.

And don't rely on customers "waking up" and demanding a chance. They will always use what they are offered by a benevolent company that only wants their best.

Those who already denied following MICROS~1 will probably have a hard time finding hardware they can use in the future.


No. Sorry, just no. You don't know how much EU central administration hates Microsoft. There is quite literally an effort not to use Microsoft. There are lot of integration projects that don't even bother providing member states tools for integrating based on Microsoft technologies. (I personally and Richard Pawson of NakedObjects have had a chance to experience it)

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