Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 12:24 UTC
Windows "Microsoft has been furiously ripping out legacy code in Windows 8 that would have enabled third parties to bring back the Start button, Start Menu, and other software bits that could have made this new OS look and work like its predecessor. In fact, I've seen that several well-known UI hacks that worked fine with the Windows 8 Consumer Preview are no longer functional in the coming Release Preview. And those with hopes that Microsoft would allow businesses, at least, to boot directly to the desktop should prepare for disappointment. That feature not only isn't happening, it's being removed from Windows Server 12 (Windows 8's stable mate) as well." When you buy a new machine later this year, you will use Metro, an environment wholly inferior, incomplete, and not at all ready to replace the traditional desktop in any way, shape, or form. Whether you like it or not.
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RE[2]: Forcing Myself
by WereCatf on Thu 31st May 2012 17:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Forcing Myself"
WereCatf
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2006-02-15

Fair comment. I have found that once I adapted to using my windows key and the start screen it was business as usual. In fact I have come to like the start screen... I have everything arranged the way I like it and can find my primary/secondary apps quickly, visually.

I really can't see going back to a start menu button at this point. It has all become second nature to me.


I could use Windows 8 and its new, but I wouldn't be getting any actual benefit from using it.

For one I do not have any use whatsoever for small tiles with miniscule amounts of content which I cannot even modify but which still consume more space than simple icons and which serve as visual distractions.

Secondly, I simply juggle between a whole bunch of open windows constantly and often I have to see 4 windows simultaneously, ie. Metro simply wouldn't work at all for my needs.

Thirdly, as long as I can just pin all my most-used apps on the taskbar I wouldn't even see the Start-screen most of the time. But when I need something that isn't pinned it's much faster and less visually-and-conceptionally jarring to just pick it from a menu that covers barely 1/5th of the screen than from a screen that takes over the whole desktop.

That's mostly the issue I see: there is no gain in using the new screen. If there is no gain why can't I be allowed to skip it altogether?

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RE[3]: Forcing Myself
by Tuishimi on Thu 31st May 2012 17:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Forcing Myself"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't understand this:

"Secondly, I simply juggle between a whole bunch of open windows constantly and often I have to see 4 windows simultaneously, ie. Metro simply wouldn't work at all for my needs."

How is it any different with W8? I have up to 15 windows open at a time... Eclipse, server window, SQL Developer, MYSQL Workbench, other editors, etc.

It's no different from W7?

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RE[4]: Forcing Myself
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 17:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Forcing Myself"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Those 15 windows are in what is essentially a virtual operating system instance, but without any 'coherence' mode to integrate those into Metro. In other words, when you inevitably end up in Metro, you can't go straight to the window you want - you first need to switch to the desktop, and then find the window you want.

This is NOT, I repeat, THIS IS NOT the same as Windows 7. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

On top of that, the desktop is on its way out, quite clearly, even though Metro has lightyears to go before it's even 50% as functional as the desktop is now.

Edited 2012-05-31 17:25 UTC

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RE[4]: Forcing Myself
by WereCatf on Thu 31st May 2012 17:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Forcing Myself"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I don't understand this:

"Secondly, I simply juggle between a whole bunch of open windows constantly and often I have to see 4 windows simultaneously, ie. Metro simply wouldn't work at all for my needs."

How is it any different with W8? I have up to 15 windows open at a time... Eclipse, server window, SQL Developer, MYSQL Workbench, other editors, etc.

It's no different from W7?


As I said, I was talking about Metro, ie. if the applications I used were Metro-applications. That is again in relation to the usefulness of Metro as a new concept: it doesn't provide me any benefit, only hindrance, and thus I'll be sticking to the "regular old desktop."

I'm not lambasting Windows 8 per se, I'm only questioning the usefulness of forcing Metro on people even when the old-style desktop would suit them better.

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RE[3]: Forcing Myself
by Tuishimi on Thu 31st May 2012 17:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Forcing Myself"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

"I could use Windows 8 and its new, but I wouldn't be getting any actual benefit from using it."

Based on your comments, there is no actual LOSS either. It's just... different. (Not picking a fight with you... I was skeptical at first as well, and during the first week or so of using it I was put off. But I kept using it and suddenly it wasn't an issue anymore.)

[edit]

Scratch this. I responded above that I now understand what you are saying.

Edited 2012-05-31 17:39 UTC

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