Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 11:11 UTC
Fedora Core "Fedora 18 will be released at around the same time as Windows 8, and as previously discussed all Windows 8 hardware will be shipping with secure boot enabled by default. [...] We've been working on a plan for dealing with this. It's not ideal, but of all the approaches we've examined we feel that this one offers the best balance between letting users install Fedora while still permitting user freedom." Wait for it... "Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key."
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RE[2]: Ehmm...
by Alfman on Thu 31st May 2012 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Ehmm..."
Alfman
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2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"When you buy a computer, you purchase ownership of the hardware only, not the software."

Why are you so dense? The whole problem is that consumers who "purchase ownership of the hardware only" don't truly own it because 3rd parties retain control over the hardware keys.


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And by the way, I don't care if *you* don't mind that 3rd parties hold the keys to *your* property. But quit making pathetic excuses that none of us should be concerned over who controls *our* property. I can't even believe it's come to this, we now need to justify the case for the public to control it's own keys instead of corporations??

Edited 2012-05-31 18:19 UTC

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RE[3]: Ehmm...
by ilovebeer on Fri 1st Jun 2012 03:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Ehmm..."
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

"When you buy a computer, you purchase ownership of the hardware only, not the software."

Why are you so dense? The whole problem is that consumers who "purchase ownership of the hardware only" don't truly own it because 3rd parties retain control over the hardware keys.

What the hell are you blabbing about now? Are you actually stupid enough to try debating against a person "owning" the hardware they've purchased, and not "owning" the software it came with? And you expect people to take you seriously? ......Wow.

EDIT:
And by the way, I don't care if *you* don't mind that 3rd parties hold the keys to *your* property. But quit making pathetic excuses that none of us should be concerned over who controls *our* property. I can't even believe it's come to this, we now need to justify the case for the public to control it's own keys instead of corporations??

You're either trolling again or have the worst comprehension in history. Why do you insist on going on and on in response to things I never said? Hopefully you'll return to Earth before posting again.

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RE[4]: Ehmm...
by Alfman on Fri 1st Jun 2012 23:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Ehmm..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"Are you actually stupid enough to try debating against a person 'owning' the hardware they've purchased, and not 'owning' the software it came with? And you expect people to take you seriously? ......Wow."

"You're either trolling again or have the worst comprehension in history. Why do you insist on going on and on in response to things I never said? Hopefully you'll return to Earth before posting again."

You're the one who thinks it's ok that owners don't have the keys to their own property. Is that not a fair assessment of your opinion? I honestly don't care that your opinion differs from mine, but quit bashing others who disagree with you - that doesn't make us stupid trolls. Just because you don't have a problem with closed computers doesn't mean that none of us has anything to loose as more hardware becomes closed.

You keep asserting developers will have access to open hardware, but once again I haven't denied that. It does nothing to dismiss the fact that I'm no longer be able to share my apps/OS directly with friends/relatives/coworkers/etc because the hardware they "own" won't permit them to run my software. Even if you don't care yourself, you must concede that not being able to distribute/run/modify software is a huge blow to the open source model, or indeed anyone who just wants to share their software without needing corporate permission. You can blame owners if you want to, but you still can't evade the fact that closed computing hurts open source.

Maybe you have a vendetta against open computing/open source, maybe your astroturfing, whatever the case may be you can't reasonably deny that this shift goes against the concept of owners controlling their own hardware. At the very least, you should admit to this.

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