Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 31st May 2012 11:11 UTC
Fedora Core "Fedora 18 will be released at around the same time as Windows 8, and as previously discussed all Windows 8 hardware will be shipping with secure boot enabled by default. [...] We've been working on a plan for dealing with this. It's not ideal, but of all the approaches we've examined we feel that this one offers the best balance between letting users install Fedora while still permitting user freedom." Wait for it... "Our first stage bootloader will be signed with a Microsoft key."
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RE[8]: Ehmm...
by Alfman on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 20:59 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Ehmm..."
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"I have no problem with owners not being able to change the keys if they have no problem with it."

Good job on responding to the question with a qualified answer by the way. But I still have to ask, do you have a problem with owners not being able to change the keys on property they own once they determine that they have a reason to?

Another question I have for you, do you think vendors will advertise these device restrictions up front such that typical people will be aware of them?

Edited 2012-06-03 21:11 UTC

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RE[9]: Ehmm...
by ilovebeer on Mon 4th Jun 2012 02:49 in reply to "RE[8]: Ehmm..."
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

"I have no problem with owners not being able to change the keys if they have no problem with it."

Good job on responding to the question with a qualified answer by the way. But I still have to ask, do you have a problem with owners not being able to change the keys on property they own once they determine that they have a reason to?

Owners who would like to change keys should have a means to do so. From the sound of it, they will.

Another question I have for you, do you think vendors will advertise these device restrictions up front such that typical people will be aware of them?

Depends on what you mean by "up front". Do I think they'll make it a point to inform people? No. Restrictions are almost never advertised outside of the small/fine print, and usually not discussed unless the customer inquires.

I see the vast majority of users not caring about whether they will or will not be able to change keys. Can they check their email? Browse the web? Look at videos? Listen to music? Play games? Those are the types of relevant questions to the average user and as long as the answers are yes, anything else is of little importance.

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RE[10]: Ehmm...
by Alfman on Tue 5th Jun 2012 02:44 in reply to "RE[9]: Ehmm..."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

ilovebeer,

"Owners who would like to change keys should have a means to do so."

I'm pleased to hear that, no disagreements here.

"From the sound of it, they will."

You must be talking about x86 and not ARM. However I'm uncertain what you are referring to since microsoft only requires secure boot be disablable on x86. It says nothing about microsoft's keys being replaceable. The UEFI spec only lists one way of replacing an existing key but it requires possession of the platform's corresponding private key, something owners won't be in possession of on retail systems. I'd love to have you be right.


"I see the vast majority of users not caring about whether they will or will not be able to change keys."

You know, I have alot to say on the matter, but I'll stick with a nice & simple answer: I agree.

Edited 2012-06-05 02:46 UTC

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