Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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Comment by gmlongo
by gmlongo on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:19 UTC
gmlongo
Member since:
2005-07-07

LOL. That wasted space in the first 2 pics is not the fault of metro...but of the OSnews website itself not being coded to take advantage of the full width.

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RE: Comment by gmlongo
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:22 in reply to "Comment by gmlongo"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, because reading 1920pix width is not at all entirely uncomfortable.

Edited 2012-06-03 22:22 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by gmlongo on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

You pointed out the wasted space in the white areas that are only white because OSNews was coded to leave them white. That wasted space, has nothing to do with Metro.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

Well, OS news still has a scroll bar, there is more information to be displayed, yet it doesn't use the space it does have to display it. I understand that most websites suck at using available screen space, but they should.

For OS News, there is space for two columns of news articles, or even going metro-esque by displaying the full text of an article, along with the story index. There are ways to solve it without resorting to simply stretching the text all the way to 1920px.

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by bassbeast on Mon 4th Jun 2012 10:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

The easiest way to fix it is.....just don't use Windows 8!

Seriously why in the world are you going to all the trouble to run a cell phone OS on the desktop? its obvious that all MSFT cares about with Win 8 is wimpy little screens or it wouldn't be such a PITB to get it usable on large displays.

So do yourself a favor friend, join me and most of the business world (as well as all my customers) and just say NO! to Win 8. heck with Win 7 supported until 2020 you can skip win 8 AND Win 9 if MSFT doesn't come to their senses, But I have a feeling this is gonna be an MS Bob level of fail so I doubt we'll have long to wait until Win 9 goes back to a sensible desktop.

Many people laughed when I said "Vista is gonna flop" and that came true and I'm betting I'm right again, its just not an improvement over Win 7 unless you are running it on a smartphone and even there I don't think it has a prayer against Android and iOS.

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by aliquis on Fri 8th Jun 2012 06:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Not every text line have to be 1920 pixels wide.

Have you ever read a news paper?

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RE: Comment by gmlongo
by redshift on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:59 in reply to "Comment by gmlongo"
redshift Member since:
2006-05-06

Even if OS news were coded to take up the full screen.... I don't want 24" of it on my desktop. I like my multiple windows just fine. I am never going to fit into this single minded single windowed world. It is like going back to crayons and that really fat pencil you had in kindergarten, after using design markers ballpoint pens.


According to your metrics Linux and MacOS will be picking up 10% of windows users. At least the ones that don't stick with win7 for eternity.

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by gmlongo on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 23:03 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

You do know there is the classic desktop in Windows 8, right?

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by moondevil on Mon 4th Jun 2012 06:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

According to your metrics Linux and MacOS will be picking up 10% of windows users. At least the ones that don't stick with win7 for eternity.


You mean like the ones that pick up Linux and Mac OS X instead of Vista, when they left XP? Right.

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RE: Comment by gmlongo
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 23:11 in reply to "Comment by gmlongo"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Ever wonder why newspapers are divided into so many narrow columns? Hell, even magazines for that matter? Think about it...

It's a royal pain in the ass to read extremely long rows of text. Our brains just aren't meant to do it. I never have this problem because I never have any windows maximized; they usually take up around half of my screen, mostly vertical space, not horizontal.

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by Alfman on Mon 4th Jun 2012 00:37 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

UZ64,

"Ever wonder why newspapers are divided into so many narrow columns? Hell, even magazines for that matter? Think about it..."

You beat me to it!

When redshift said "Even if OS news were coded to take up the full screen.... I don't want 24" of it on my desktop." I was thinking the exact same thing.

Widescreen pages of non-wrapping text are extremely difficult to follow because the eyes begin loosing track of individual lines. The newspaper layout may seem somewhat arbitrary but it turns out to be much easier to read that way.

In any case, what's with all these prohibitions against letting users have a choice in the matter? Thom is right, these restrictions are insane particularly on large screen desktops. The reality is widescreens are useful specifically to place side by side. If the OS imposes such arbitrary restrictions as metro does, then it defeats the point in having a widescreen monitor in the first place.

Anyone taking bets on whether microsoft is going to jump out of the curtains on win8's release yelling "Surprise! We were just kidding guys, the look on all your faces is priceless. We really had you all going didn't we?"

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RE: Comment by gmlongo
by nej_simon on Mon 4th Jun 2012 10:56 in reply to "Comment by gmlongo"
nej_simon Member since:
2011-02-11

LOL. That wasted space in the first 2 pics is not the fault of metro...but of the OSnews website itself not being coded to take advantage of the full width.


Why would you want a website to use the full width of a large screen? That would be a badly designed website because it would be difficult to overlook and navigate.

Edited 2012-06-04 11:02 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo
by joshv on Mon 4th Jun 2012 13:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by gmlongo"
joshv Member since:
2006-03-18

Please see http://bostonglobe.com

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RE: Comment by gmlongo
by aliquis on Fri 8th Jun 2012 06:01 in reply to "Comment by gmlongo"
aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Exactly. I like how he makes a point of how bad it uses the space with the website he's actually posting to himself.

Oh really?

You want to have more text in the horizontal plane? Make two columns of OSnews ..

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