Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo
by gmlongo on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by gmlongo"
gmlongo
Member since:
2005-07-07

That is only because you have a browser in the left pane. That could be any application, many of which make excellent use of the full width.

Yes, I agree, that 80/20 is limiting and additional customizable splits would be beneficial, but that does not change the fact that your graphics with the "wasted space" comments are incorrectly attributing that to Metro. Because, even with other splits, many of them would still have "wasted space" because the website was explicitly coded as such.

In any case, their usage data obviously indicates that most people focus on their main task to the exclusion of other windows. And that aligns with the real world usage patterns I have seen as well.

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RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Because, even with other splits, many of them would still have "wasted space" because the website was explicitly coded as such.


This is decidedly untrue. Most websites would lose ALL their whitespace when presented in, say, a 50/50 split.

It's a moot point you're making, though - it's still Metro's fault for not being designed for the real web, but instead, for some non-existing fairytale web.

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RE[6]: Comment by gmlongo
by gmlongo on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:45 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo"
gmlongo Member since:
2005-07-07

I said "many of them" would still have wasted whitespace. 70/30 would certainly, and even 60/40 would have some. So my point stands.

Secondly, Metro wasn't designed with the sole purpose of having a browser, and only a browser, in the left pane. And your comments about having fixed width websites being due to readability is not exactly true; there are many apps whose sole purpose is for presenting readable information that can and do take advantage of that width.

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RE[6]: Comment by gmlongo
by zima on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Most websites would lose ALL their whitespace when presented in, say, a 50/50 split.

It's a moot point you're making, though - it's still Metro's fault for not being designed for the real web, but instead, for some non-existing fairytale web.

But while http://www.osnews.com/img/26032/Screenshot%20(1).png might in itself seem wasteful, it also makes things more readable, as you say - if you just want to display one webpage (what people generally seem to do, no 50/50 splits or such), there's no other sensible way to do it... it would be like that in any UI.
(the screenshots that follow, where you want to do something additional, are a separate issue)

OSNews has 2 columns - so yeah, like most web pages it doesn't feel right when stretched to entirety of large monitor.
Large-format paper publications with width and text size proportions of that screenshot would probably have ~4 columns, and for good reason ...fix OSNews, to fill that space in such scenario ;P (yes, easier said than done - an unfortunate combination of widescreens becoming the standard plus the "legacy" of HTML & how we always did pages, I guess; any automatic determination of column numbers based on text and display size would also break a bit the concept of scrolling...)


The crazy thing is - 10% of all Windows users is still close to 100 million people.

Last I heard, it was something like ~1.2 billion PCs and ~2 billion users - so more like close to 200 million people, even.


PS. Why don't I have that "top rated comments" field? ;)

Edited 2012-06-03 22:58 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by gmlongo
by computrius on Mon 4th Jun 2012 13:14 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

Open osnews in windows 7 and maximize the browser on the same resolution monitor. Do you not get the same thing? I hate metro with a passion but this is not a metro issue. As long as the browser can resize to take the full width it has always been up to the site designer to take advantage of that width.


It just seems weird to try to make the "IT SHOULD JUST KNOW!" Argument and then try to apply it only to metro.

Edited 2012-06-04 13:16 UTC

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