Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE[3]: Comment by gmlongo
by WereCatf on Mon 4th Jun 2012 10:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by gmlongo"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

The easiest way to fix it is.....just don't use Windows 8!


That's not constructive in any way. You do not fix something just by ignoring it, just as you cannot e.g. fix murder by ignoring it.

Seriously why in the world are you going to all the trouble to run a cell phone OS on the desktop?


Quite a few of the commenters here on OSNews work in IT, and as such they'll inevitably run into situations where they must be able to get around in Win8 and/or help others do that. That's already a very good reason for trying to get acquainted with it already.

Another good reason would be e.g. studying it; what works, what doesn't, how it could be improved and/or what could be imitated elsewhere and what shouldn't.

Then again, if you don't like being constructive you probably don't understand the reasoning anyways.

unless you are running it on a smartphone and even there I don't think it has a prayer against Android and iOS.


You'll be surprised.

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RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 12:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by gmlongo"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

That's not constructive in any way. You do not fix something just by ignoring it, just as you cannot e.g. fix murder by ignoring it.

I don't think everything works quite like murders ;) (but now I wonder whether what you did could become something à la Godwin's law ;p )

If people will insist on using the older version, if devs (also MS ones, with all their software) will be forced to target primarily that older one, MS should take notice... (wasn't that what also happened with Vista?)

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RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo
by WereCatf on Mon 4th Jun 2012 15:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I don't think everything works quite like murders ;)


Thankfully not! I just said it to demonstrate a point, though perhaps using ever-stronger copyright laws as an example would've worked better: no matter how much you ignore them they won't go away, the only way of "fixing" the situation is to actively do something about it. That is a lot like Win8: some lucky can avoid it in their own, personal things, but on the whole it's coming whether you like it or not. The constructive approach is to, quite obviously, find the rough spots and try to find ways of smoothing them over.

If people will insist on using the older version, if devs (also MS ones, with all their software) will be forced to target primarily that older one, MS should take notice... (wasn't that what also happened with Vista?)


I just skimmed through today's news on Engadget, and guess what? I saw 8 whole new full lines of computers coming to market, all sporting Windows 8. I'm just saying that ignoring it won't even be possible.

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RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo
by bassbeast on Tue 5th Jun 2012 04:05 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by gmlongo"
bassbeast Member since:
2007-11-11

Uhhh...murder? Seriously? You DO know that MSFT themselves is supporting Win 7 until 2020, yes? I don't see how you can equate not jumping on MSFT's "Ohh me too!" Apple loving bandwagon as taking someone's life.

Oh and believe me I know that, I keep Win 8 in a VM simply because as a small shop owner I'll have to deal with it too, although I have a feeling it'll be like Vista and most of my "dealing with it" will be nuking it for customers and putting 7 back on. I swear if they make us call for downgrade rights again I'm gonna charge an extra 20% or hand it to the customer and let THEM deal with it, because i'm soooo tired of hearing 30 minutes of sales pitches before they'll give me the stupid key!

Finally why do you think I'll be surprised? Did WinPhone suddenly get more than its last reported 5% of the market? did their appstore become more than a hollow shell of iOS and Google Markets?

The thing MSFT seems to be not capable of understanding is NOBODY uses MSFT windows because they just adore MSFT as a brand, they use it for third party apps period. So its already got one strike against it as it'll never ever run those millions of X86 programs already written in winRT, strike two is that it has no real selling point against iOS and Android, as Android is cheaper (can't beat free) and iOS not only has the money (more money made per app by a long shot) but they also have the hipness factor. Strike three is that Win 8 is simply unintuitive and undiscoverable without a LOT of trial and error.

In the end just answer me this TWO questions Werecat, does Windows 8 make you feel more productive or less than Win 7? does your workflow feel smoother now, or more clunky? Because I've allowed everyone from kids to little old ladies play with win 8 CP in my shop and i have yet to find anyone that says they feel more productive or that they are better able to get what they want done on Win 8. I don't know if it'll parse or not but the following video is pretty much the reaction I've seen from my own customers with regards to Win 8, although they tended to get frustrated more than this woman..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxmIsv88xO4&feature=related

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RE[5]: Comment by gmlongo
by nt_jerkface on Wed 6th Jun 2012 02:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by gmlongo"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

In the end just answer me this TWO questions Werecat, does Windows 8 make you feel more productive or less than Win 7? does your workflow feel smoother now, or more clunky? Because I've allowed everyone from kids to little old ladies play with win 8 CP in my shop


Hairyfeet (a longtime Slashdot poster who runs a computer shop) has said the same thing. The users just aren't liking it. There are plenty of youtube videos that show the same thing.

How much more evidence is needed?

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