Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE: Exactly
by zima on Mon 4th Jun 2012 12:22 UTC in reply to "Exactly"
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Notes and LibreOffice are making the need to use windows less and less.

Lotus Notes? You poor, poor thing... ;)

Even those masters of the RDF, Apple didn't force OSX onto their users. The kept MacOS-9 going for sometime after the introduction of OSX. will MS learn a lesson here?

How are the downgrade rights that MS gives worse, and what MS needs to additionally learn? (plus, with MS those are good operating systems, at least on a technical level - Apple kept not-very-good OS9 available because OSX itself was a pig for at least the first two releases, and large part of essential Mac software ran only on OS9 - well, or in Classic under OSX, making it even more of a pig / overhead)
And with largish employer / company, it's not about individual licenses but more or less subscription to any MS OS you want, anyway.

WRT RDF - come on, we're talking about a movement which refused to pirate OS8, bought en masse a substandard product to ~"help save Apple" ( ) ...hard to beat that one.

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RE[2]: Exactly
by shotsman on Mon 4th Jun 2012 15:34 in reply to "RE: Exactly"
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At least notes runs on Linux. You can't say that for a Microsoft Email client. Then there is that joke called 'entorage'. I'm sorry but despite all its shortcomings I'd far rather use notes than exchange.

I was referring to OS9 not OS8.
I could come back and rant on about 'Windows ME', Windows 'The wow starts now' Vista but I won't.
Every company comes out with some dodgy software from time to time. Dec VMS V5.0 was another.
What I was trying to say was that when OSX started shipping, Apple realised that not everyone wanted to move to it right away. so you bought your new Mac and got the old and the new software disks in the package.

If Microsoft would understand that a good proportion of their userbase does not like or want Metro to be forced on them and announce that they would continue to sell(and update) Windows 7 and Server 2008 then a lot of the naysayers would be satisfied.
It seems to me that at the moment microsoft in denial about how Metro well will be accepted in the real world. Even some of their most proactive supporters in the press are beginning to doubt the wisdom of this move.

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RE[3]: Exactly
by zima on Tue 5th Jun 2012 05:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Exactly"
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Yeah, Lotus Notes is multiplatform, and that's pretty much its only redeeming quality ;) (the humanity would be possibly better off if Notes didn't run anywhere, any more ;p )

I wasn't writing only about OS8, also OS9 - just that news article talked specifically about OS8 (besides, OS9 wasn't much better, and with the initially intended numbering it probably even would be OS8 - but OS 7.7 was renamed 8, to terminate clones; and OS9 was also expected at first to be OS8.smth; they are close)

Yes, ME or Vista were a bit dodgy - but there were decent Win releases around their time, actually offered by MS (at the least via downgrade rights, or generally via "pick any OS you like" licensing deals with companies).

Vista is more contemporary to us than that OS9/X thing, BTW, so if anything MS is the one who more recently demonstrated how they do get it... (vs., I don't know, the not very optional in practice iOS upgrades - which do break the experience on older devices a bit)
Windows 7 (VistaSE really, BTW) will be supported until 2020 or so, XP is still supported.
What is the difference between throwing a CD into the box and downgrade rights? (other than the former wasting plastic and/or an admission, just masked by RDF, how inadequate the default was and/or PC OEMs avoiding such expense - they're different than a manufacturer doing both hw & sw)

So again, what does MS needs to additionally learn? (and what does any present denial about Metro acceptance change? IIRC they hyped Vista, too)

Edited 2012-06-05 06:03 UTC

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RE[3]: Exactly
by MadRat on Tue 5th Jun 2012 12:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Exactly"
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Don't let anyone bash you for Notes. It's a good client especially in an enterprise environment.

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