Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 3rd Jun 2012 22:04 UTC
Windows So, I've been using the Windows 8 Release Preview since it came out, almost exclusively (except for work, since I'm obviously not going to rely on unfinished and untested software for that). I already knew I could get into Metro on my 11.6" ZenBook, but on my 24" desktop, things aren't looking as rosy. Here's an illustrated guide of the most pressing issues I run into, and five suggestions to address them. Instead of just complaining, let's get constructive.
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RE[2]: How to fix Windows 8
by nt_jerkface on Tue 5th Jun 2012 14:03 UTC in reply to "RE: How to fix Windows 8"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

"Developers" on general facing MSDN blogs? That doesn't sound quite right. I highly doubt a majority, let alone a majority of people giving negative feed back on the MSDN Blogs, are programmers by hobby or profession.


Go to the blogs and start clicking on registered users who are giving negative feedback. 10-1 says most of the positive feedback is coming from employees. I came across a discussion on Codeproject where the majority of users hated it.

Polls like this keep showing that the majority hate it:
http://www.neowin.net/news/weekend-poll-will-you-buy-windows-8

Why do you think developers would be any more favorable? Especially when they tend to use multiple monitors and more than a browser.

Developers love .NET, love C#, love XAML, love C++, love DirectX, love JS, and love HTML5. Most importantly, they love they can use these technologies together on Windows 8.


HAHAHAHAHAHA that sounds like one of Sinofsky's lame responses. Developers will love our totally awesome system! Why not let them choose then? If Metro in Windows 8 is so super awesome then why not let it be a choice?

Anyways this is what developers will do in response to Windows 8:

Win32 and .NET developers will continue working on in-house or web software that doesn't use metro.

Anyone who uses web technologies like HTML5 will continue to target the largest market which is the browser.

Mobile developers will continue to focus on iPhone and Android.

Windows 8 will piss off enterprise along with developers and power users. It's already happening actually, the "celebrity" Windows developers like Brad Wardell and Gabe Newell hate it. Windows 8 is just a bad idea.

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RE[3]: How to fix Windows 8
by Nelson on Tue 5th Jun 2012 15:42 in reply to "RE[2]: How to fix Windows 8"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Go to the blogs and start clicking on registered users who are giving negative feedback. 10-1 says most of the positive feedback is coming from employees. I came across a discussion on Codeproject where the majority of users hated it.


Even if that was true (and let's just be serious, it's not) that doesn't automatically make the naysayers developers. Quit talking out of your ass.


Polls like this keep showing that the majority hate it:
http://www.neowin.net/news/weekend-poll-will-you-buy-windows-8


Again, how does that indicate that any are registered developers, as you claimed earlier?


Why do you think developers would be any more favorable? Especially when they tend to use multiple monitors and more than a browser.


Oh I see, so you WERE just talking out of your ass. Gotcha. The word for that is unsubstantiated bullshit, for future reference.


HAHAHAHAHAHA that sounds like one of Sinofsky's lame responses. Developers will love our totally awesome system! Why not let them choose then? If Metro in Windows 8 is so super awesome then why not let it be a choice?


There is a choice. Metro has a Desktop, and if you really want, 90% of the time you do not have to be in Metro. A fact lost on you, Thom, and a few others who like to be selective with facts.


Win32 and .NET developers will continue working on in-house or web software that doesn't use metro.


And miss out on properly monetizing an App Store which has the potential to reach the most customers on the planet? You know how much Windows 7 sales were right? If Windows 8 is even a fraction of that, the addressable market is huge.

I think you understate just how much a centralized store does for discoverability. Being able to transfer your .NET skills over into something you can cheaply profit off of is something very lucrative to developers.

Not all .NET dev shops are purely LOB shops.

Anyone who uses web technologies like HTML5 will continue to target the largest market which is the browser.


Same reasoning as above, you can with very little effort reuse your skillset and make money in an App store with a low barrier to entry.


Mobile developers will continue to focus on iPhone and Android.


Funny you say that, just today Windows Phone hit 100,000 apps. Four months faster than Android did in
the same timeframe.


Windows 8 will piss off enterprise along with developers and power users. It's already happening actually, the "celebrity" Windows developers like Brad Wardell and Gabe Newell hate it. Windows 8 is just a bad idea.


Thankfully, Windows 8 isn't engineered to cater to "celebrities" or people with tri monitor 27 inch setups. It's great and workable, but its not the primary usecase.

In fact, the same MSDN Blogs you love to cite show the reasoning for the changes quite clear. They show the dominant screen sizes, resolutions, and the fact that most new PC purchases are mobile laptops. The desktop is on the decline, so making it a primary usecase would be foolish.

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RE[4]: How to fix Windows 8
by Alfman on Tue 5th Jun 2012 20:14 in reply to "RE[3]: How to fix Windows 8"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"There is a choice. Metro has a Desktop, and if you really want, 90% of the time you do not have to be in Metro. A fact lost on you, Thom, and a few others who like to be selective with facts."

There is simply no good excuse for not giving us a choice to revert the desktop changes. Microsoft just lacks the confidence to let metro stand on it's own merit, which is why microsoft has been busy trying to make desktop workflows worse instead.

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