Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jun 2012 21:19 UTC
Apple Apple held its keynote speech just now, kicking off its developer conference. The company announced minor refreshes for its laptop line, introduced a stunning new laptop with a Retina display, and gave a sneak peek of iOS 6, which will launch in the Fall.
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RE: Death of Wired networking
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Jun 2012 09:20 UTC in reply to "Death of Wired networking"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, because if you don't need it, no one does, right? No matter how totally unreliable and insecure wifi really is. Form > function.

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Most of the time your laptop will be unwired. Why carry an ethernet port if it's seldom used? Same for an optical drive.

The whole point of a laptop is to be portable.

If you want/need a network cable you might as well get a desktop computer.

My iMac at work has only one wire: the power cable.

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organgtool Member since:
2010-02-25

Why carry an ethernet port if it's seldom used?


Most wireless routers and high-speed modems require a hard-wired connection to configure them. I guess this means that you'll have to make a trip to the Apple store and pony up $29 just for the ability to configure these devices. Also, I prefer to perform financial transactions over a wired connection. I use a strong WPA2 password for my wireless router, but I feel better knowing that the ciphertext can't be sniffed over the air with a physical connection.

Besides, what do you have against "carrying an ethernet port"? You make it sound like they're a separate, bulky item that takes up extra space and adds unnecessary weight.

Finally, the elimination of the 17-inch model guarantees that I won't be using one of these to replace my current MacBook Pro.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"Most of the time your laptop will be unwired. Why carry an ethernet port if it's seldom used?"


http://cnettv.cnet.com/steve-jobs-demo-fail/9742-1_53-50088649.html

Haha! That is all.

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

A wire is still much faster than a wireless connection and there are many legitimate reasons to transfer large amounts of data from one machine to another. I should wait for wifi to eventually do it instead of my GB wired network?

We also use the notebook as a portable DVD player. Of course, Apple would prefer all movie watching happen through Itunes with second purchase of my existing movie library.. so no optical drive in a "Pro" hardware model either.

Why do these companies keep offering polished turds claiming they are gourmet?

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Most of the time your laptop will be unwired. Why carry an ethernet port if it's seldom used? [...]
The whole point of a laptop is to be portable.
If you want/need a network cable you might as well get a desktop computer.

So you're seriously arguing that RJ45 port impacts in any significant way the portability of a laptop... (instead of, say, "Form > function"*)
And that for this one minuscule port it's sensible to get a desktop, and ignore the overall benefits of a laptop... (most people seem to use them in quite "stationary" / home settings BTW; they're still much more convenient)

Try to limit RDF sometimes... * especially when it's ultimately about a stupid aesthetic trick. Dropping RJ45 didn't really make this MBP thinner - it's for style, optically thinner ("slick" tapering edges)


And nearby...

I assume most people have a regular desktop around and a laptop being a second system.

Laptops outsell desktops for quite some time. There are plenty of my acquaintances with just a laptop in their home - or, at most, the desktop is usually at least partly broken, in storage (people rarely outright throw away such stuff here)

Well, 'a' case and an extreme one. I'm not likely to be found in a room with over 500 laptop users all using WiFi [...] Public places seldom (I can't name any) have an network socket in the wall.

Lecture rooms at one nearby tech uni typically have ethernet at hand; wifi access is often a disaster, with so many machines around.

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jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

I'm not suggesting this in the least. (There is still an option with ethernet and there is an adapter for those models without it built-in.) What I am suggesting is that Apple can and does do more to move the state of the art forward.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

It's a laptop. If you need wired networking just buy a dirt-cheap USB ethernet. These things cost like $2 years ago when I got one and I presume they haven't gotten more expensive since.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Plus they're a bit shitty, take more overall space, and there might be a problem when the machines has 1 or 2 USB ports...
(not to mention they damage aesthetics!)

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RE[2]: Death of Wired networking
by nefer on Wed 13th Jun 2012 10:47 in reply to "RE: Death of Wired networking"
nefer Member since:
2012-02-15

You're missing the point. Its the entire notebook formfactor thats shifting and has been since its original incarnation.

Notebooks originally started their life as "foldable, luggable desktop machines" and are heading towards "foldable ipads with a keyboard". Advances in this formfactor have been made along this vector for decades, dropping wired networking and making it thinner is just another step.

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zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Its the entire notebook formfactor thats shifting and has been since its original incarnation.
Notebooks originally started their life as "foldable, luggable desktop machines"

Really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_Compass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epson_HX-20 (also PX-8 Geneva)
http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/doc.asp?c=764
http://cosy.com/language/cosyhard/cosyhard.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS-80_Model_200_and_Vaio.jpg

Seems like we had pretty good idea from the start how we want a notebook to look like. But some people seem to remember only the high-performance "foldable, luggable desktop machines" early subgroup.

Edited 2012-06-18 22:41 UTC

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redshift Member since:
2006-05-06

Well.... they do have a thunderbolt dongle for it. So you can have ethernet if you want it. I personally would have rather had the ethernet port over the memory card slot.

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