Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jun 2012 22:23 UTC
Apple Marco Arment: "After two years, the Mac Pro was 'updated' today, sort of: now we can choose slightly faster two-year-old CPUs at the top end, and the other two-year-old CPU options are cheaper now. That's about it. No Xeon E5 CPUs, no USB 3, no Thunderbolt. They're even shipping the same two-year-old graphics cards. Same motherboard, slightly different CPU options from 2010. That's it. The message is clear: Apple doesn't give a shit about the Mac Pro." Paint, red, scout, girl.
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RE[2]: Comment by silviucc
by bassbeast on Tue 12th Jun 2012 18:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by silviucc"
bassbeast
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2007-11-11

May I ask a question? Other than simply hatred of all things MSFT what EXACTLY does a Hackentosh give you over Windows, especially in the professional workstation line?

It isn't like the new FCP is better than similar software on Windows, in fact we've seen many jumping ship because the lack of features like tape support made the new FCP inferior to what they could get with Windows, and Win 7 Pro is not only rock solid stable but the X64 version can hold IIRC 192Gb of RAM which is more than all but the super wealthy could ever afford to put in a single unit, so why?

I'm honestly curious, because looking at the specs of that board its a fricking monster and one would think if you were sinking the insane amount of cash that you are into a machine such as that you'd want your OS and software to be supported whereas with a Hackentosh you are totally on your own. Because no matter how much you pay for your pro software nobody is gonna open a support ticket if you run into a problem on a hackentosh. Finally there is the matter of software down the line and it appears Cook really isn't interested in pro users for Apple anymore so most likely all the pro users and thus software innovation will be on the Windows side from now on, so how does spending all that money only to put a hacked OS make any sense?

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RE[3]: Comment by silviucc
by lfeagan on Wed 13th Jun 2012 01:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by silviucc"
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2006-04-01

Good questions. I am primarily a *nix user, Linux specifically, but also many other *nixes due to my job, which involves nearly every modern UNIX variant. I am a command-line junkie, but I also need certain pieces of commercial software, primarily bits from Adobe. This limits my choices to Windows and Mac. Between the two, I find that Macports gets me closer to my ideal than Cygwin. The way I use OS X looks more like I was using Linux than Mac OS X. I make very little use of the mouse. Its not the ideal, which would be for Adobe software to all run natively on Linux (which would rock beyond belief), but for the time being it floats my boat.

I make use of quite a few custom programs and scripts in my work. Porting them to work on Mac OS X required very little effort. I have previously attempted to port to Cygwin and Windows and found the task much more painful.

Agreed, no one would take a support ticket from a Hackintosh. Thankfully, I have multiple real Apple machines (Macbook Pro, iMac) that I can verify any issue on. If it doesn't repro, then indeed I would be in a bind. Thankfully that hasn't happened yet.

I will still get a MacBook Pro 10,1 because my MacBook Pro 6,2 with its paltry 8GB RAM and dual-core CPU makes build and stitch times rather unpleasant (between 5 and 15 minutes, depending on the project).

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RE[4]: Comment by silviucc
by bassbeast on Wed 13th Jun 2012 19:42 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by silviucc"
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2007-11-11

Question, have you tried Powershell? if you are a CLI junkie PS would probably be more what you are looking for than Cygwin as its designed OOTB for server and desktop management and from what I've been told (I'm no longer in corporate IT thank God) is quite easy to script for and gives good access to the Windows APIs. Don't know how easy it'd be to convert scripts from one to the other but if you'd like a more bash like prompt and the ability to run apps I tripped over this that looks promising..

http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/224166/bash-like-prompt-in-Powe...

It just seems to me, and i could be wrong, that if you are doing the high end pro work that such a monster desktop would be naturally built for a dual boot with Windows for the pro software and Linux for the day to day (Or even using something like Wubi or CoLinux to simply run Linux in Windows) would probably be the smarter move long term than running a Hackentosh because watching cook I really get the feeling he just doesn't like the Pro market like Jobs did and with more and more pros switching to the Windows side for the more cutting edge pro software that Apple may not have the software you need to work for that much longer.

Like I said i hate to see it happen, i know how much money pros invest in their tools and had to support some NOS Win2K boxes for a couple of years while the graphics artists got weaned off Xres for Photoshop and Corel, but sadly it looks like going forward Apple is really gonna be a consumer product more than anything and I've found that for at least graphic arts and engineering that Win 7 pro actually makes a pretty solid platform to build on for a workstation.

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RE[3]: Comment by silviucc
by moondevil on Wed 13th Jun 2012 06:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by silviucc"
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2005-07-08

This is the main reason, while I like Apple's design and NeXTStep's reincarnation as Mac OS X, I just care about Windows and UNIX systems at home/work.

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