Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jun 2012 21:19 UTC
Apple Apple held its keynote speech just now, kicking off its developer conference. The company announced minor refreshes for its laptop line, introduced a stunning new laptop with a Retina display, and gave a sneak peek of iOS 6, which will launch in the Fall.
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RE[5]: Death of Wired networking
by Alfman on Tue 12th Jun 2012 20:42 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Death of Wired networking"
Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"Then again, would you add ethernet to a mobile phone and wire up hundreds of people in the audience?"

Don't change the goalposts, you were talking about laptops not phones. And I'm just pointing out use cases where ethernet is still handy to have. It doesn't make sense to take pride in a device that lacks ethernet, unless you find the scenario that Jobs found himself in to be acceptable. There are plenty of other use cases too, from dormitories to hotels, the lack of ethernet could leave you offline or with reduced data rates.

Wifi is often "good enough", and when it is then we use it, but the reality is Wifi competes against many other users of the same unlicensed spectrum. The more gadgets that make use of this limited spectrum, the more frequently they will fail.

Edited 2012-06-12 20:51 UTC

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MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12


Don't change the goalposts, you were talking about laptops. And I'm just pointing out use cases where ethernet is still handy to have.


Well, 'a' case and an extreme one. I'm not likely to be found in a room with over 500 laptop users all using WiFi.


It doesn't make sense to take pride in a device that lacks ethernet, unless you find the scenario that Jobs found himself in to be acceptable. There are plenty of other use cases too, from dormitories to hotels, the lack of ethernet could leave you offline.

Wifi is often "good enough", and when it is then we use it, but the reality is Wifi competes against many other users of the same unlicensed spectrum. The more gadgets that make use of this limited spectrum, the more frequently they will fail.


Apple nor I take any pride in it. What I argue is that if a feature is seldom used it could be considered to be removed. From my personal experience I know I never use the ethernet connection, nor the optical drive or the VGA and parallel interface (IBM Thinkpad).

I consider a laptop a portable device, one that allows you to easily move it about and allow you to sit where you want and use it. If you wire it up you limit its mobility and places you can use it. Public places seldom (I can't name any) have an network socket in the wall.

If you start plugging in all kinds of cables and wires you might as well use a desktop computer.

I agree WiFi isn't very reliable sometimes, certainly not in public places, but you can also use the 3G connection of your phone.

My iMac at work is connected via WiFi and I never experience any problems, despite a lot of people walking around with mobile phones that are connected to WiFi.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

MOS6510,

"Well, 'a' case and an extreme one. I'm not likely to be found in a room with over 500 laptop users all using WiFi."

I shouldn't need to spell this out, but your ignoring classroom settings were many students will have WiFi/bluetooth/etc devices competing for the same bandwidth. Ideally they shouldn't have to pull a steve jobs so that the presenter can access the network. The situation may be even worse due to the fact that WiFi penetrates both walls and floors, and even weak signal interference can cause exponential back-off latency. Even if ethernet is not needed regularly, many computer users will be thankful to have it when WiFi is absent or inadequate. Laptops without ethernet should be available to consumers who *really* want that, but it would be a disservice for a company like apple to remove it from all product lines while pretending its best for everyone. Hopefully apple agrees to continue integrating ethernet into the future.

"Public places seldom (I can't name any) have an network socket in the wall."

I've seen coffee houses that offer WiFi with no visible sockets, but eithernet is usually available at airports, hotels, university classrooms, dormitories, offices.


A separate issue is that it's easier to spoof WiFi APs than to physically bug ethernet wiring, which is an additional security risk. Consider how easy it'd be to setup rogue Wifi in a hotel, for example.

Edited 2012-06-13 04:32 UTC

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