Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jun 2012 22:21 UTC, submitted by Valhalla
Linux The BBC interviews Torvalds. I like this bit: "For me, Linux on the desktop is where I started, and Linux on the desktop is literally what I still use today primarily - although I obviously do have other Linux devices, including an Android phone - so I'd personally really love for it to take over in that market too. But I guess that in the meantime I can't really complain about the successes in other markets." Linux on the desktop is quite passe. Phones and servers is where it's at.
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Comment by sergio
by sergio on Wed 13th Jun 2012 23:00 UTC in reply to "..."
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2005-07-06

I like Linus so much... but I think sometimes He's too down to earth.

I mean, He's so extremely pragmatic that He did more harm than good in some areas (i.e. allowing binary blobs... or refusing to define an stable ABI in the name of change).

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RE: Comment by sergio
by WereCatf on Wed 13th Jun 2012 23:11 in reply to "Comment by sergio"
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2006-02-15

that He did more harm than good in some areas (i.e. allowing binary blobs... or refusing to define an stable ABI in the name of change).


That is a matter of opinion. IMHO it was a positive thing he did those things, not a negative thing. We wouldn't for example have Android if binary blobs weren't allowed.

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RE[2]: Comment by sergio
by Alfman on Wed 13th Jun 2012 23:48 in reply to "RE: Comment by sergio"
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2011-01-28

WereCatf,

"We wouldn't for example have Android if binary blobs weren't allowed."

Or maybe we would and open hardware drivers would be more common in android devices. There's no definite way of predicting what would happen to the timeline if variables like this were tweaked.

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RE[2]: Comment by sergio
by nt_jerkface on Thu 14th Jun 2012 04:13 in reply to "RE: Comment by sergio"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

"that He did more harm than good in some areas (i.e. allowing binary blobs... or refusing to define an stable ABI in the name of change).


That is a matter of opinion. IMHO it was a positive thing he did those things, not a negative thing. We wouldn't for example have Android if binary blobs weren't allowed.
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Well in my opinion it's one of the worst OS design decisions of all time.

Android could exist with a stable binary interface. People buy Android because it is an established brand and because they are cheaper than iPhones. No one would care if Samsung's bluetooth driver wasn't open source. Unix can have a stable abi and be successful. See OS/X and iOS for examples.

Linus is a talented programmer but he is also arrogant and unwilling to admit mistakes. He and Greg KH never explained how having some type of a middle ground like a 2 year abi would hurt Linux. They took the extreme position and have stuck with it.

Oh and the idea that "opening ur specs" will result in free drivers proved to be bullshit. There aren't enough open source developers to meet driver demand. You can find driver requests that are years old.

Edited 2012-06-14 04:25 UTC

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RE: Comment by sergio
by Hiev on Wed 13th Jun 2012 23:12 in reply to "Comment by sergio"
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2005-09-27

allowing binary blobs

I'm glad of that desition. I'm pretty sure that contributed a lot in the Linux adoption.

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RE: Comment by sergio
by jessesmith on Thu 14th Jun 2012 01:26 in reply to "Comment by sergio"
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2010-03-11

I'm very happy for the pragmatic inclusion of binary blobs and such, it's the only reason I am able to run Linux on all of my hardware. Otherwise I'd be stuck using a completely closed OS. I'd much rather compromise on a few little things (like firmware) than have to use an entirely locked down OS.

People who think a completely free Linux would cause the adoption of open drivers and firmware are seeing things backward. First the open system gets popular, then people start catering to it. Linux needed to be adopted in order to get hardware makers to become flexible, adoption required compromises.

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