Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jun 2012 22:21 UTC, submitted by Valhalla
Linux The BBC interviews Torvalds. I like this bit: "For me, Linux on the desktop is where I started, and Linux on the desktop is literally what I still use today primarily - although I obviously do have other Linux devices, including an Android phone - so I'd personally really love for it to take over in that market too. But I guess that in the meantime I can't really complain about the successes in other markets." Linux on the desktop is quite passe. Phones and servers is where it's at.
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Linus is still in denial
by nt_jerkface on Thu 14th Jun 2012 04:24 UTC
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

So I think that in order to make it in a consumer market, you really do need to be pre-installed.
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And on the laptop and desktop market, we just haven't ever had any company making that kind of play. And don't get me wrong - it's not an easy play to make.


Ever heard of Dell?

And as I have pointed out before the Windows 7 RC eclipsed the marketshare of Linux even though it wasn't pre-installed on a single computer.

Linus and much of the internet is in denial of a harsh reality: geeks don't want Linux on the desktop. It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates more than its fanbase wants to admit and still has problems with sound and video. Blaming M$ or OEMs at this point is a cop-out.

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RE: Linus is still in denial
by Fergy on Thu 14th Jun 2012 06:02 in reply to "Linus is still in denial"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Linus and much of the internet is in denial of a harsh reality: geeks don't want Linux on the desktop. It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates more than its fanbase wants to admit and still has problems with sound and video. Blaming M$ or OEMs at this point is a cop-out.

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and really begins to make a profit. Ubuntu is also selling apps, games, music movies etc. Dell, HP etc. all have a few machines with Ubuntu on it.
Because of this ecosystem consumers are more demanding and businesses make enough money to fix the problems and sell more. (kind of like how Windows works)

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and really begins to make a profit. Ubuntu is also selling apps, games, music movies etc. Dell, HP etc. all have a few machines with Ubuntu on it.
Because of this ecosystem consumers are more demanding and businesses make enough money to fix the problems and sell more. (kind of like how Windows works)


There was a time when I imagined something like that just as everyone does who goes through the Linux desktop cycle. I don't lack imagination, what you lack is a understanding of how problems like broken updates are a part of Linux and always have been. It's just part of what Linus created.

What you also don't understand is that the economic case for a Linux desktop has never been worse. It won't be long before Android phones can be used as desktops and your distro X that you dumped millions into still won't have the software compatibility of Windows or Mac. It's a dead end and Linus knows it.

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RE[2]: Linus is still in denial
by zima on Mon 18th Jun 2012 17:54 in reply to "RE: Linus is still in denial"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and [...]

Imagine if Amiga did that; or Mandrake. Imagine that new Blackberry OS does so (well, not desktop), or WebOS now that it is open, or Meego. So many things to imagine!

Also, http://www.last.fm/music/John+Lennon/_/Imagine

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RE: Linus is still in denial
by Nth_Man on Thu 14th Jun 2012 08:39 in reply to "Linus is still in denial"
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2010-05-16

It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates

I use Kubuntu 11.04 (when I have more time, I will try other versions) in my computers and some friends also use it, and we update it and it doesn't break. Ubuntu server doesn't break either in the servers that I manage. And those computers don't have problems with sound and video. By the way, ZaReason sells laptops and other computers with Kubuntu preinstalled and working, if someone does not want to install it.

geeks don't want Linux on the desktop

Ah, and that's being told just there, in OSNews. Readers can look at data if they want to know:
http://www.osnews.com/story/25485/OSNews_Browser_OS_Stats_2012
http://www.osnews.com/story/24579/OSNews_Browser_OS_Stats

Edited 2012-06-14 08:59 UTC

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RE[2]: Linus is still in denial
by WereCatf on Thu 14th Jun 2012 14:01 in reply to "RE: Linus is still in denial"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I use Kubuntu 11.04 (when I have more time, I will try other versions) in my computers and some friends also use it, and we update it and it doesn't break.


I have multiple times had the system become unbootable on Ubuntu after installing updates. Sometimes GRUB-settings have been corrupted, sometimes kernel modules were missing and so on. Especially upgrading from one Ubuntu - release to the next tends to be really hit and miss.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

" It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates

I use Kubuntu 11.04 (when I have more time, I will try other versions) in my computers and some friends also use it, and we update it and it doesn't break. Ubuntu server doesn't break either in the servers that I manage. And those computers don't have problems with sound and video. By the way, ZaReason sells laptops and other computers with Kubuntu preinstalled and working, if someone does not want to install it.
"

WorksForMe(TM)

FYI I'm not new to operating systems so don't give me the Linux shill job. Find me a distro from 3 years ago that can update itself along with OpenOffice, Firefox and Flash to the latest versions without needing the command line. You won't be able to.

Ah, and that's being told just there, in OSNews. Readers can look at data if they want to know:


I would describe most of the users here as pro-open source and yet most run Windows. The fact that most run Windows but only 8% use IE speaks volumes. They are aware of software alternatives. I doubt even Linux.com has a majority of Linux visitors.

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RE: Linus is still in denial
by Soulbender on Thu 14th Jun 2012 09:51 in reply to "Linus is still in denial"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Linus and much of the internet is in denial of a harsh reality: geeks don't want Linux on the desktop


Uh, the ones that want it on the desktop ARE geeks.

and still has problems with sound and video.


Unless you're into pro-audio I can't think of any.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Yes I must have imagined seeing complaints about pulseaudio recently and the same old solution of removing it.
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=60485&hilit=how+t...

Audio has gotten better in Linux but problems still exist.

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RE: Linus is still in denial
by tylerdurden on Fri 15th Jun 2012 02:42 in reply to "Linus is still in denial"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17


Linus and much of the internet is in denial of a harsh reality: geeks don't want Linux on the desktop. It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates more than its fanbase wants to admit and still has problems with sound and video. Blaming M$ or OEMs at this point is a cop-out.


Reading this FUD got me all worried for a second, I thought I had entered a space-time wormhole and I was back in the 90s.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

OK I guess the Linux Action Show must be spreading FUD then:
Tired of fighting sound issues under Linux? We’ve got solutions for you! Linux audio can be tricky, when it works it’s great… But when it sucks, it sucks real bad.
http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/14846/sound-card-troubleshooting...

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