Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Jun 2012 22:21 UTC, submitted by Valhalla
Linux The BBC interviews Torvalds. I like this bit: "For me, Linux on the desktop is where I started, and Linux on the desktop is literally what I still use today primarily - although I obviously do have other Linux devices, including an Android phone - so I'd personally really love for it to take over in that market too. But I guess that in the meantime I can't really complain about the successes in other markets." Linux on the desktop is quite passe. Phones and servers is where it's at.
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RE: Linus is still in denial
by Fergy on Thu 14th Jun 2012 06:02 UTC in reply to "Linus is still in denial"
Fergy
Member since:
2006-04-10

Linus and much of the internet is in denial of a harsh reality: geeks don't want Linux on the desktop. It comes with more problems than it is worth. It breaks from updates more than its fanbase wants to admit and still has problems with sound and video. Blaming M$ or OEMs at this point is a cop-out.

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and really begins to make a profit. Ubuntu is also selling apps, games, music movies etc. Dell, HP etc. all have a few machines with Ubuntu on it.
Because of this ecosystem consumers are more demanding and businesses make enough money to fix the problems and sell more. (kind of like how Windows works)

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and really begins to make a profit. Ubuntu is also selling apps, games, music movies etc. Dell, HP etc. all have a few machines with Ubuntu on it.
Because of this ecosystem consumers are more demanding and businesses make enough money to fix the problems and sell more. (kind of like how Windows works)


There was a time when I imagined something like that just as everyone does who goes through the Linux desktop cycle. I don't lack imagination, what you lack is a understanding of how problems like broken updates are a part of Linux and always have been. It's just part of what Linus created.

What you also don't understand is that the economic case for a Linux desktop has never been worse. It won't be long before Android phones can be used as desktops and your distro X that you dumped millions into still won't have the software compatibility of Windows or Mac. It's a dead end and Linus knows it.

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RE[3]: Linus is still in denial
by Fergy on Fri 15th Jun 2012 05:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Linus is still in denial"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

what you lack is a understanding of how problems like broken updates are a part of Linux and always have been. It's just part of what Linus created.

It is not a flaw in linux it just needs more testing. Linus is one guy in hundreds of thousands of people that define linux. And what does the linux kernel have to do with update systems?
It won't be long before Android phones can be used as desktops and your distro X that you dumped millions into still won't have the software compatibility of Windows or Mac.

Once you plug in your phone in your 24 inch 1920x1200 monitor with your mouse and keyboard you will want to use it as a desktop. This means browsing with a hundred tabs, using a spreadsheet, writing a letter etc. You need different apps for the desktop. Linux already has those apps and it is very easy to support android apps if you would want to.

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RE[2]: Linus is still in denial
by zima on Mon 18th Jun 2012 17:54 in reply to "RE: Linus is still in denial"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

You just lack imagination. Let me help you with that. Imagine that ubuntu grabs 10% desktop marketshare and [...]

Imagine if Amiga did that; or Mandrake. Imagine that new Blackberry OS does so (well, not desktop), or WebOS now that it is open, or Meego. So many things to imagine!

Also, http://www.last.fm/music/John+Lennon/_/Imagine

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RE[3]: Linus is still in denial
by Fergy on Mon 18th Jun 2012 18:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Linus is still in denial"
Fergy Member since:
2006-04-10

Imagine if Amiga did that; or Mandrake. Imagine that new Blackberry OS does so (well, not desktop), or WebOS now that it is open, or Meego. So many things to imagine!

Also, http://www.last.fm/music/John+Lennon/_/Imagine

If you would have to bet on those OS's or Ubuntu to really make it in the market. Which one would you choose and why?

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