Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2012 02:49 UTC
Apple After a proper teardown, iFixit concludes that the new MacBook Pro has no user-serviceable parts at all, which some think is a really bad thing. I honestly don't know - I mean, my ZenBook isn't particularly user-serviceable either, and my smartphones, tablets, and whatnot are pretty much entirely soldered together as well. What do you guys make of this?
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RE[5]: Sounds like a challenge.
by zima on Fri 15th Jun 2012 04:37 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Sounds like a challenge."
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People, it's not about all or nothing.

This was about "don't look at the past through too rosy glasses" and directed at the quote here
I don't pine for the old days, those are largely myths (and sense/feelings - while, as I pointed just above, perhaps those self-repairs contributed to poor reliability).
Maybe it's something about me being from a place where the automotive state-of-the-art was basically frozen for ~2 decades (70s-90s), with most people self-servicing, so I remember quite well the "virtues" of that style of doing things... to which nobody really wants to return.
Most people don't want total serviceability; don't expect them to pay for that (how it will add up) in mass-market cars, that's all.

My father-in-law of sorts had 2x Nissan Navara and a Lada Niva at his disposal. Navaras were great, doing their job without objection, and pleasant to drive. As for the Niva... every time I visited, it happened to be broken.

Also, past computers were generally quite a bit more expensive, denying all but the very few access to them - or leaving us to use 8bit micros well into the 90s.
(oh sure, not like MBP is cheap :p - but I'm talking in general; and yes, MBP seems to go a bit too far ...but, perhaps it's partly "too soon" - again in larger picture - with the hardware becoming ever more "good enough" & inexpensive (RPi?) and the number of chips ever decreasing: not a long time ago a separate FPU was a good idea)

And the benefits of modern cars, mentioned in few places above, have hardly anything to do with batteries or lamps, Alfman ;P (more with ECUs, where you don't mess; NVM sensitive safety systems) - you mostly don't self-service it, anyway, just rare little things (BTW, I'm quite regularly blinded by misaligned headlamps, don't tell me you aren't - I wonder why they are so poorly adjusted...)

Ultimately, it's progress. We gradually cast aside "solved" issues so we can focus on new ones.
You likely don't really grow your food, bake your bread, manually set fire to coal furnace (one per room), make your clothes, have a sewing machine (most of those largely the rule here less than 2 decades ago BTW)
It often seems like cars and computers are the popular "manly" or "geeky" field to praise tradition ...while ignoring it in most other areas, anyway.

Edited 2012-06-15 04:43 UTC

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Coal? Baking? Sewing? Progress? I don't really see how anything your talking about relates to the topic of user serviceable components. I'm not convinced that non-serviceable components is progress - particularly with things like batteries. Batteries have a short half-life, making them non-replacable seems like a planned obsolescence scheme to me.

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RE[7]: Sounds like a challenge.
by zima on Fri 15th Jun 2012 06:34 in reply to "RE[6]: Sounds like a challenge."
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I threw it in after "ultimately" and at the very end for a reason... I suppose you agree with things before it. Though you apparently missed my displeasure with high computer costs (to which planned obsolescence can easily contribute); or particularly "MBP seems to go a bit too far ...but, perhaps it's partly "too soon" - again in larger picture" (yeah, too far with batteries for example, for ICs it's perhaps just premature); or

But yeah, hands on heating, making your own food or clothes; not the convenient (and not very user-serviceable) central or oil heating, or the whole chain supportive of "consumerism" with food and clothes.

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