Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 14th Jun 2012 15:15 UTC, submitted by Jos
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless And the burning platform is still, uhm, burning. "Chief Executive Stephen Elop is placing hopes of a turnaround on a new range of smartphones called Lumia, which use largely untried Microsoft software. But Lumia sales have so far been slow, disappointing investors." It's a shame to see a once proud company in such a downward spiral, but alas, it's the way of business. If you get complacent - as Nokia had gotten - you will fail.
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RE[2]: Its a restructuring
by Nelson on Fri 15th Jun 2012 07:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Its a restructuring"
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Who cares about the USA, a saturated market?

The only people who complain about market saturation are those who can't think of new business models. Times change, and companies will too.

However, all of that is an aside, and not part of the point. The point is Nokia reestablished itself in the USA after a near zero presence.

Whether it signs up new people, or converts existing Androids and iOS users is irrelevant.

And why compare it to the One series specifically (the one which suffered delays thanks to an Apple ban)? Cherry-picking much?

The comparison I was making was an observation made based off of preorders, which don't much care for an import ban that lasted like a week, and which predated said import ban.

I'm not really cherry picking, on sites like Amazon the Lumia topped the charts for quite some time.

Nokia has its own factories, but they are throwing money at Compal because their own factories can't produce the Lumias? Marvellous!

It was a timing and logistics thing mainly, the 900 is produced in house by Nokia.

Not that there's anything wrong with outsourcing manufacturing. I wish they'd do more of it, or do you think less of Apple for outsourcing their manufacturing? Very few OEMs live a double life as an ODM.

Yeah, but all the smartphone market is growing at an astonishing rate. The rising tide lifts all boats. The real question is: is WP growing as fast or faster than competitors?

Obviously it is, thanks to Nokia, since it has grown in key markets (Gone from 1-2% to 3-4%) which means it is outpacing smart phone market growth (otherwise itd be flat if it was keeping up, or negative if it was being outpaced)

Well, I guess that answers it.

A marked improvement from the sometimes sub 1% representation of Windows Phone. My point with these figures is to show that the Lumia (in its limited time of availability, in its gradual roll out) has made inroads, moreso than other OEMs.

They don't have time. Market saturation is coming fast (as close as next year, 2014 if it goes more asymptotic), and old users are locked in the ecosystem they choose by the apps they bought.

Under the current business model. Like I said before, things change. Microsoft is working on allowing people to migrate their apps from say, Android to Windows Phone.

You can check it out here:

Microsoft has an app store with 100,000 apps. The growth of the store has been explosive. Apps wont be a limiting factor.

Woah. "If" ALL WP partners were putting all their efforts together, they WOULD get a meager 10%? THAT's a value proposition! Can't see why they didn't do that. Beats me.

"By now", not 10% ever. Its a great start. I'm sure HTC (who's not looking too good lately either) would love to have a couple million more Windows Phones sold under its belt.

Competition is less stiff than on the Android side, dealing with Samsung and all.

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RE[3]: Its a restructuring
by Radio on Fri 15th Jun 2012 09:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Its a restructuring"
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"By now", not 10% ever. Its a great start. I'm sure HTC (who's not looking too good lately either) would love to have a couple million more Windows Phones sold under its belt.
You mean the HTC who has been a Windows Mobile maker from the beginning, who got bullied into paying the "Microsoft Tax" for any Android device sold and who is now shut down from building W8 tablet?

HTC rather wants to say "f--k you, bastard".

Edited 2012-06-15 09:40 UTC

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RE[3]: Its a restructuring
by DeadFishMan on Fri 15th Jun 2012 16:46 in reply to "RE[2]: Its a restructuring"
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"By now", not 10% ever. Its a great start. I'm sure HTC (who's not looking too good lately either) would love to have a couple million more Windows Phones sold under its belt.

PUHLEEZE! As if HTC would bother to pump more money into a business to help out a "partner" get traction on its struggling platform without any clear signs from the market of return of that investment when said partner leeches whatever it can from their other somewhat successful business with bullshit patent racketeering and recently has told them loud and clear that it doesn't want to help them to generate some extra income with its upcoming tablet business, for $DEITY's sake!

If I were in a decision taking position at HTC, I'd be begging the board to discuss ways to split ways with Microsoft, not to increase an already abusive relationship with them.

Edited 2012-06-15 16:53 UTC

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