Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jun 2012 00:10 UTC
Windows So, the Microsoft announcement - taking place as I write this, 01:45 in my timezone - turns out to be a bigger deal than expected. Microsoft just announced it's going full-on hardware - the company announced a new tablet called 'Surface', and boy, is this thing something to behold. Microsoft's hardware partners? They're not happy right now. Update: Here's Microsoft's official Surface site. I believe someone coined the phrase 'sexy as a succubus' in the comments about Vizio? Stealin' it! Update II: They aren't just taking the iPad head-on - this is a straight-up MacBook Air competitor.
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RE[2]: About Damn Time
by Nelson on Tue 19th Jun 2012 09:42 UTC in reply to "RE: About Damn Time"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

That's nice conjecture, but the fact that this will be a shipping product seems to fly in the face of that defense. Obviously, the Surface Tablet has the potential to be mass produced, else it wouldnt be being sold to the masses.

What does Microsoft have that other OEMs dont? Besides drive? I mean, perhaps some of the OEM stuff is defensible to a small degree, but there is absolutely zero, none, ziltch justification for the utter GARBAGE they routinely spew out.

If you're going to come with the "its too hard excuse" then get out of the OEM business.

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RE[3]: About Damn Time
by JAlexoid on Tue 19th Jun 2012 12:52 in reply to "RE[2]: About Damn Time"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

That's nice conjecture, but the fact that this will be a shipping product seems to fly in the face of that defense.

Sorry, it will be a fact when it will actually be a fact. The only facts here are Microsoft's gorgeous design and their statements.

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RE[4]: About Damn Time
by lucas_maximus on Wed 20th Jun 2012 14:34 in reply to "RE[3]: About Damn Time"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Oh whatever.

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RE[3]: About Damn Time
by Radio on Tue 19th Jun 2012 13:13 in reply to "RE[2]: About Damn Time"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

You may already have forgotten, but before the Surface Tablet, Microsoft created the Surface Table. Remember the price?

10.000$.

And don't begin to tell me "it's bigger so it's normal to be so expensive". Miniaturization is expensive.

What does Microsoft have that other OEMs dont?
Billions of dollars of cash from years of a successful monopoly in business and consumer software?

Since when does Apple pull out ultra-sleek monobloc devices made of glass and alloys? Since they got successfull with the iPod and iTunes and got enough money to overstep competition, pay upfront for whole factories, hundreds of machining machines, tons of rare materials. The OEM are all clinging to razor-thin margins - the result of competition. Disruption is coming from outside of the OEM battlefield, from players armored with tons of cash (earned elsewhere) ready to be poured and lost. If the surface tablet fails, the impact on MS margins will be negligible. What OEM can say that?

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RE[4]: About Damn Time
by Nelson on Tue 19th Jun 2012 18:55 in reply to "RE[3]: About Damn Time"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

You may already have forgotten, but before the Surface Tablet, Microsoft created the Surface Table. Remember the price?

10.000$.

And don't begin to tell me "it's bigger so it's normal to be so expensive". Miniaturization is expensive.


Surface (the table) used fundamentally different technology, and still does on a product thats not mass audience viable yet, so economies of scale don't drive prices down.

In fact, the Surface (table) 2 came down in price significantly. Half the cost of the original.



Since when does Apple pull out ultra-sleek monobloc devices made of glass and alloys? Since they got successfull with the iPod and iTunes and got enough money to overstep competition, pay upfront for whole factories, hundreds of machining machines, tons of rare materials. The OEM are all clinging to razor-thin margins - the result of competition. Disruption is coming from outside of the OEM battlefield, from players armored with tons of cash (earned elsewhere) ready to be poured and lost. If the surface tablet fails, the impact on MS margins will be negligible. What OEM can say that?


That grants them some leeway, but the truth is that a lot of what they've done is inexcusable. The pure amount of bullshit they load onto devices is abhorrent and they suck at software, yet insist on forcing it down users throats.

The terrible experience doesn't end at the hardware, it runs wholly through the software and corrupts otherwise decent platforms (Android stock for example).

I'm sorry, but I can't blame Microsoft for being fed up with OEMs shopping around form factors from 2002 Tablet PCs.

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