Linked by Howard Fosdick on Mon 18th Jun 2012 05:29 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Over at the Goodbye, Microsoft web site, Brad R. takes Ubuntu to task for abandoning dial-up modem users. Apparently Ubuntu no longer includes the GnomePPP dial-up package in the distribution, without which you can't get online via dial-up. It gets better: if you do have some way to connect, when you download something from the Ubuntu repository, the first thing Ubuntu does is update its 16+ megabyte repository index. Happy waiting! Brad concludes that "Ubuntu is for broadband users only."
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I deal with this
by deathshadow on Tue 19th Jun 2012 09:56 UTC
deathshadow
Member since:
2005-07-12

... idiotic attitude all the blasted time with web developers, many of whom seem to see nothing wrong with blowing 500k or more of javascript on their websites as if broadband has some miraculous penetration even in the major industrialized nations.

Sure, where I live I can get 22mbps down cable for $65/mo... but at that price most of my neighbors 'broadband' is the $15/mo 768kbps... I travel just a few dozen miles to the north into Coos County, and 33.6 dialup as a long distance phone call is the BEST connection you'll find unless you are lucky enough to have line-of-sight to a cell tower. (yeah, right!)

Large swaths of America -- like the Dakota's, like Utah, Like northern New Hampshire or western Maine, have NO broadband, and when they do -- as pointed out by another user already -- it's by tethering or on a device that uses PPP... because, as already mentioned, just because it's operating over PPP doesn't mean it's not broadband.

I can't say I'm shocked by said omission in the latest Ubuntu though -- given the current direction shown by web developers it was only a matter of time before operating systems followed suit with the "lame excuses" for half-assed development and deployment practices.

Which increasingly I suspect are being used to cover up laziness, ineptitude, or just plain wishful thinking.

Because again, never attribute to malice what can just as easily be explained by ignorance.

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RE: I deal with this
by Soulbender on Tue 19th Jun 2012 12:17 in reply to "I deal with this"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I can't say I'm shocked by said omission in the latest Ubuntu though


Wow, how hard is this to comprehend? PPP and modem support has not been removed.
NetworkManager supports USB modems, the default install has cli tools for using older modems and you can still install gnome-ppp from the repos. The *only* change is that Gnome-PPP is no longer available on the install CD.
There's nothing to see here other than the whiny blog rantings from someone who couldn't even figure out that the cli tools are still there.

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RE[2]: I deal with this
by deathshadow on Tue 19th Jun 2012 15:21 in reply to "RE: I deal with this"
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

There's nothing to see here other than the whiny blog rantings from someone who couldn't even figure out that the cli tools are still there.

... and some people forget that when you say "use the command line" to Joe Sixpack or Susie Sunshine, they'll tell you to go plow yourself.

... hell, I've got over three decades of using computers under my belt and if I wanted to waste time dicking around on the command line, I'd go use my Tandy 1K or Model 16; but last I checked this is 2012, we kind of expect more.

Especially from Ubuntu which started out trying to hide all the *nix BS that there's no excuse for anymore apart from developers being too lazy to put real front ends on their code. You know, like Android does...

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