Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jun 2012 00:10 UTC
Windows So, the Microsoft announcement - taking place as I write this, 01:45 in my timezone - turns out to be a bigger deal than expected. Microsoft just announced it's going full-on hardware - the company announced a new tablet called 'Surface', and boy, is this thing something to behold. Microsoft's hardware partners? They're not happy right now. Update: Here's Microsoft's official Surface site. I believe someone coined the phrase 'sexy as a succubus' in the comments about Vizio? Stealin' it! Update II: They aren't just taking the iPad head-on - this is a straight-up MacBook Air competitor.
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RE[3]: Not with a ten foot pole
by tomcat on Tue 19th Jun 2012 18:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not with a ten foot pole"
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>human rights abuses in China

People flipped out when foxcon employees commit suicide but they have 1.2 million employees. The suicide rate for Foxcon employees is less than the national average in China and isn't terribly different than the US but the suicides makes a nice sensationalist story for ad revenue so reporters ignore that.

Because of the media attention they have restricted workers' overtime to 36 hours a month (max) from 80 hours a month. You think 36 hours of over time in a month is a human rights abuse? There were several times where I have worked more overtime than that in a week in the US.

Seriously, you don't know WTF you're talking about. You don't live in a dormitory under armed guard. You are able to go home at night and relax. These people are herded like cattle, and forced to work large amounts of overtime, with little time and space to rest. They can't leave. They can't go home to see their families. All in the name of Apple profits. Yay! Feel better? You--like many other Apple sycophants--are in denial.

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Working at Foxconn is optional and there is huge demand for positions at Foxconn. Food and housing is free and I found nothing about armed guards at dorms but even if there were, there are armed guards at public schools in the US.

From Wikipedia:

"The suicide rate at Foxconn during the suicide spate remained lower than that of the general Chinese population,[8] and the Foxconn deaths may have been a product of economic conditions external to the company"

Foxconn suicides are lower than the national average even on a bad year (source: ). They typicially have just a few a year but as I pointed out they have 1.2 million employees.

I have personally known a couple people in the US that committed suicide and I don't personally know anywhere close to millions of people. Anyone saying the suicides are proof of poor working conditions are spouting nonsense.

On their worst year they had ~15 suicides. In 2007 and 2008 alone, 255 active duty (American) soldiers committed suicide. That is ~125 suicides a year and there about the amount of employees at Foxconn as there are soldiers on active duty. so:

The suicide rate of active duty American soldiers is over 10 times higher than it is for Foxconn workers.

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Yeah, yeah, I get it. The Apple fanboy line is that Foxconn is just a media-generated problem. But the fact that Foxconn needs to put fucking nets around the perimeter of their buildings to prevent their employees from jumping off speaks greater volumes than your bullshit responses.

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