Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jun 2012 00:10 UTC
Windows So, the Microsoft announcement - taking place as I write this, 01:45 in my timezone - turns out to be a bigger deal than expected. Microsoft just announced it's going full-on hardware - the company announced a new tablet called 'Surface', and boy, is this thing something to behold. Microsoft's hardware partners? They're not happy right now. Update: Here's Microsoft's official Surface site. I believe someone coined the phrase 'sexy as a succubus' in the comments about Vizio? Stealin' it! Update II: They aren't just taking the iPad head-on - this is a straight-up MacBook Air competitor.
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RE[4]: Not with a ten foot pole
by Priest on Tue 19th Jun 2012 22:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not with a ten foot pole"
Priest
Member since:
2006-05-12

Working at Foxconn is optional and there is huge demand for positions at Foxconn. Food and housing is free and I found nothing about armed guards at dorms but even if there were, there are armed guards at public schools in the US.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

"The suicide rate at Foxconn during the suicide spate remained lower than that of the general Chinese population,[8] and the Foxconn deaths may have been a product of economic conditions external to the company"

Foxconn suicides are lower than the national average even on a bad year (source: http://www.economist.com/node/16231588 ). They typicially have just a few a year but as I pointed out they have 1.2 million employees.

I have personally known a couple people in the US that committed suicide and I don't personally know anywhere close to millions of people. Anyone saying the suicides are proof of poor working conditions are spouting nonsense.

On their worst year they had ~15 suicides. In 2007 and 2008 alone, 255 active duty (American) soldiers committed suicide. That is ~125 suicides a year and there about the amount of employees at Foxconn as there are soldiers on active duty. so:

The suicide rate of active duty American soldiers is over 10 times higher than it is for Foxconn workers.

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Yeah, yeah, I get it. The Apple fanboy line is that Foxconn is just a media-generated problem. But the fact that Foxconn needs to put fucking nets around the perimeter of their buildings to prevent their employees from jumping off speaks greater volumes than your bullshit responses.

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Priest Member since:
2006-05-12

They had 4 suicides last year out of 1.2 million people (compared to 125 in the army) and they don't feel even that is acceptable but buying nets to prevent suicides make them evil now? You have failed to make your case.

You also called me an Apple fanboy and I don't own a single Apple product. I'm just looking at the facts which I understand can be pretty unpopular.

Another fact is that Apple is hardly the only company who Foxconn assembles products for (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers ). Acer, HP, Intel, Dell, Samsung, Microsoft, Toshibam Sony, Cisco, all Foxconn clients.

Probably 80% of the things you own were probably made in China by companies no better than Foxconn but there you are singling out Apple for human rights violations. Does the media decide all of your opinions for you?

Edited 2012-06-21 01:11 UTC

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