Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Jun 2012 00:40 UTC, submitted by rohan_p
Amiga & AROS "Icaros Desktop is an effort to build a modern Amiga-compatible operating system for standard x86 hardware. It's a distribution built atop AROS, which is an open source effort to create a system compatible at the API level with the AmigaOS 3.x series. I recently had a chat to the creator of Icaros, Paolo Besser, about the creation of the OS and why Amiga continues to inspire people today."
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RE[5]: Hmmm
by Laurence on Wed 20th Jun 2012 12:33 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Hmmm"
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

As I pointed out, personal anecdotes only go so far ...might be also a difference between places, how one just got copied games at ~shops here, and the usually very economically unattractive add-ons (while those with Amigas had them specifically because they were inexpensive).

But Amigas being used mostly for games is a fairly reliable info. And most importantly, when you look at auction sites today, Amiga sets including external disk drives or memory expansions are much rarer than "plain" configs...

PS. And when getting Amiga, one typically got rid of C64 set - also to aid in Amiga purchase. Plus the joysticks of old days seemed to have relatively short lifespans... (I did prevail with only one set, but mostly thanks to my repair abilities which first manifested themselves like that)


I don't think eBay is a reliable source for statistics because, on the whole, computers fetch more when broken down and sold as parts rather than sold as a whole. Thus it's not beyond reason that most Amiga's are sold without attachments so the attachments can be sold separately - thus maximizing the potential for profit.

That all said, you're observations might still be accurate - I just wouldn't cite ebay as evidence.

From a personal perspective, most of the people I know jumped from C64 to Win3.x compatable PC (oh the shame) - so I don't even have much in the way of anecdotal evidence ;)

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I think the joystick life space (or lack of) can be credited to those highly addictive sporting games (eg Olympics) where the controls consisted of jamming the joystick from side to side as rapidly as physically possible!

Edited 2012-06-20 12:42 UTC

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by zima on Wed 20th Jun 2012 13:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

That's also with them available separately - I just glanced on my local "ebay" and there are only three drives, four memory expansions, for 30+ Amigas (2 expanded, none with 2nd drive). Why such large discrepancies? (OK, we can presume than in more affluent places this was perhaps half, but the implied ~all? ...and even if, the less affluent places offset this by themselves)

But yeah, hard to tell anything about many such aspects of the past. I can say that Amiga lived here much longer - PCs are a thing of Win98 and Celerons, onwards.
And also that I was never into games meant for computer's satisfaction ;) (but seriously, many inexpensive joysticks were just fragile; and perhaps the concept was flawed - joypads are a marked improvement, me thinks; perhaps they even make those old games better, under emus)

Edited 2012-06-20 13:05 UTC

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RE[7]: Hmmm
by Laurence on Wed 20th Jun 2012 17:04 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

That's also with them available separately - I just glanced on my local "ebay" and there are only three drives, four memory expansions, for 30+ Amigas (2 expanded, none with 2nd drive). Why such large discrepancies? (OK, we can presume than in more affluent places this was perhaps half, but the implied ~all? ...and even if, the less affluent places offset this by themselves)

Using those figures, you could also draw the conclusion that people who are willing to spend money buying addons and accessories for their Amigas are more likely to have an emotional attachment to their computer and thus less likely to sell it. Where as people who couldn't justify the upgrade costs are more likely to sell it once it becomes obsolete.

My point is this: your statistics are interesting, but meaningless. So using them as evidence or trying to draw correlations to prove a point will inevitably produce flawed results.

So while I appreciate that you're trying to substantiate your anecdotal evidence, ebay is not right place to source your figures. Better statistics would be sales figures from the era.

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RE[6]: Hmmm
by MOS6510 on Wed 20th Jun 2012 13:57 in reply to "RE[5]: Hmmm"
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2011-05-12

Thus it's not beyond reason that most Amiga's are sold without attachments so the attachments can be sold separately - thus maximizing the potential for profit.


Greedy bastards.


From a personal perspective, most of the people I know jumped from C64 to Win3.x compatable PC (oh the shame)


Traitors!!!


I think the joystick life space (or lack of) can be credited to those highly addictive sporting games (eg Olympics) where the controls consisted of jamming the joystick from side to side as rapidly as physically possible!


Morons.

Well, that's enough large groups of people I have just insulted.

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RE[7]: Hmmm
by Laurence on Wed 20th Jun 2012 16:54 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

lol you must have played those sports games before?

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RE[7]: Hmmm
by zima on Wed 20th Jun 2012 21:52 in reply to "RE[6]: Hmmm"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Morons.

You know what would be fun? Recording people playing such game, carefully finding most suitable shots/framing, and then applying some copious amounts of unnecessary censorship
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdZpATBJnZM the mosaic one; too bad decent video recording equipment was much harder to come by back then, and even worse with video editing... yeah, Amiga was one of the first to have some form of it; but it wasn't NLE, not much of actual editing)

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