Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Jun 2012 18:38 UTC
Windows So, Windows Phone 7.5. I love it - warts and all. It has its issues, but it's so distinctive and fun it's pretty hard to not like it. So, for me, those three other people, and that cow, Microsoft today announced Windows Phone 8. It brings lots of cool new features, is built upon the Windows NT kernel and shares much of its lower levels with Windows 8, and oh, not a single current Windows Phone 7 device will be upgraded to it.
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overstated
by Ithamar on Wed 20th Jun 2012 19:36 UTC
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2006-03-20

All the noise about "another platform upgrade" is a little overstated... Almost none of the pre-2.3 Android phones were upgraded to something newer, and even a lot of the 2.3 phones will never see ICS....

What Microsoft is doing isn't that much different, only they are deciding for the OEMs instead of letting them decide. Maybe not nice, but definitely not something new...

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RE: overstated
by phoenix on Wed 20th Jun 2012 19:44 in reply to "overstated"
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2005-07-11

All the noise about "another platform upgrade" is a little overstated... Almost none of the pre-2.3 Android phones were upgraded to something newer, and even a lot of the 2.3 phones will never see ICS....


Maybe not officially, but a lot of phones that shipped with Android 1.5 or 1.6 got custom ROMs with 2.1, 2.2, and even 2.3 (like my wife's LG Eve).

And you don't need new hardware to run a new version of Android. But you need new hardware in order to run the new version of WinPhone. Very big difference!

So, in the span of 3 years, mobile Windows users have been forced through three incompatible "upgrades": Windows CE/Mobile/PocketPC/whatever to Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8. Each one requiring new hardware.

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RE: overstated
by No it isnt on Wed 20th Jun 2012 19:48 in reply to "overstated"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The main difference is that no software compiled for WP8 will run on WP7, whereas Android has pretty good forwards compatibility. There are a few exceptions, most notably Google Chrome being ICS only.

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RE: overstated
by WorknMan on Wed 20th Jun 2012 20:17 in reply to "overstated"
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2005-11-13

All the noise about "another platform upgrade" is a little overstated... Almost none of the pre-2.3 Android phones were upgraded to something newer, and even a lot of the 2.3 phones will never see ICS....


At least on Android, you have a decent shot of getting updates via custom roms. But still, the lack of updates sucks on Android, and it'll suck on Windows Phone too.

As for WP8, the feature that was most crucial (IMO) was porting over WinRT, so that you could run Metro apps on phone, tablet, and desktop. Apparently, that didn't happen this time around. *boo* *hiss* MS, WTF are you waiting for?

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RE: overstated
by Lorin on Thu 21st Jun 2012 00:03 in reply to "overstated"
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2010-04-06

The major difference is that an Android phone can be easily rooted and the OS replaced with ease.

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RE: overstated
by dsmogor on Thu 21st Jun 2012 12:37 in reply to "overstated"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

The problem is elevated by low WP7 market uptake.
Both developers and users are basically screwed.
The developers produced the 100k apps in good faith that MS (and IDC, techblogs, etc) mires will come true and WP7 jump to double digits is just around the corner.
Now they have no other choice than to start over and switch to WP8 (or the competition will beat them using native WP8 APIs) or they are left serving miniscule audience.
The WP7 users who bought into the ecosystem in good faith that the app situation will eventually catch up to IOS are screwed bc developers will abandon the platform in no time knowing it's dead in the water.
Nokia is screwed bc MS has osbourned them for the 2nd time after Elop did it 1.5 y ago.

Android fragmentation is not that critical as majority devices at least got bump to 2.1 and that's where most important apis (including GL) got introduced and native code was supported almost from the beginning.

Edited 2012-06-21 12:44 UTC

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RE[2]: overstated
by tomcat on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 02:06 in reply to "RE: overstated"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

The problem is elevated by low WP7 market uptake.
Both developers and users are basically screwed.
The developers produced the 100k apps in good faith that MS (and IDC, techblogs, etc) mires will come true and WP7 jump to double digits is just around the corner.
Now they have no other choice than to start over and switch to WP8 (or the competition will beat them using native WP8 APIs) or they are left serving miniscule audience.
The WP7 users who bought into the ecosystem in good faith that the app situation will eventually catch up to IOS are screwed bc developers will abandon the platform in no time knowing it's dead in the water.
Nokia is screwed bc MS has osbourned them for the 2nd time after Elop did it 1.5 y ago.

Android fragmentation is not that critical as majority devices at least got bump to 2.1 and that's where most important apis (including GL) got introduced and native code was supported almost from the beginning.


C'mon, admit it. You didn't bother to read the article. Because I don't see how you could have missed this glaring statement.

Despite this change, all 100,000 existing Windows Phone apps will continue to run on Windows Phone 8. "We architected Windows Phone 8 in a way to drive full application compatibility so that every existing application will continue to run," says Microsoft's Larry Lieberman. Developers will get access to new tools and an updated SDK later this summer that are based on Visual Studio 2012 — supporting apps for both Windows Phone and Windows Phone 8.

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