Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Jun 2012 19:34 UTC
Google Through the Google Play Store, the next version of Android has been confirmed: Android 4.1, Jelly Bean. I'm hoping for just a single new feature: something to address the update mess. I don't care how, as long as they do something.
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Not gonna happen...
by galvanash on Thu 21st Jun 2012 22:19 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-25

Your asking for a technical solution to what is a political problem. Google can't make their OEMs stop being stupid by releasing a new Android version.

OEMs continue to feel the need to do their mostly pointless customization of both hardware and software. As long as that is true we will just have to wait for them to validate a new versions (which takes months), wait for them to finish their tinkering (which takes months), and then wait some more to go through the process of fixing all their bugs (which takes more months). It is just the nature of the beast.

The OEMs could easily fix this themselves - but Google can't do it for them. The need to realize that product differentiation should not be their only goal - they are just as responsible for the health of their platform as Google is and if everyone plays odd man out you get this mess we have now.

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RE: Not gonna happen...
by dsmogor on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 05:17 in reply to "Not gonna happen..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

I think the carrier validation argument is bs. WP7 devices somehow pushed the updates around the same time around the world, no carrier validations stopped it.

Edited 2012-06-22 05:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Not gonna happen...
by galvanash on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 06:12 in reply to "RE: Not gonna happen..."
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

I think the carrier validation argument is bs. WP7 devices somehow pushed the updates around the same time around the world, no carrier validations stopped it.


Here is why:

1. Sheer number of devices.

Number of unique WP7 devices: 25? (Not sure but it certainly isn't much higher)

Number of unique Android devices: 120+

And the Android number is only large manufacturers who play by the rules, i.e. Samsung, Moto, HTC, LG, Sony, Acer, Asus, etc. If you include all the tiny manufacturers its easily 200.

2. The extent of distinct hardware Microsoft supports in absolutely minuscule compared to Android. Almost all WP7 hardware is virtually identical.

3. Microsoft allows no significant modifications to WP7, with the exception of adding hubs. No kernel modifications allowed at all. No replacing system apps. Nothing. Nada.

4. 5 years of hardware to deal with. Microsoft only has 2 years worth.

5. Tablets. WP7 doesn't support Tablets at all.

I'm not trying to pick on Microsoft... Good for them, they have better control of their platform. But the reality is they make their OEMs play by different rules and the scope of their problem is much, much smaller. Pointing at Microsoft and saying "they can do it, why can't Google" just ain't fair.

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RE: Not gonna happen...
by dsmogor on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 05:18 in reply to "Not gonna happen..."
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

They couldn't care less about platform health, if Android dies they will switch to something else, with added bonus of tempting their users to upgrade.

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RE[2]: Not gonna happen...
by moondevil on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 06:15 in reply to "RE: Not gonna happen..."
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Having worked in the telecommunications area for a few years I can only confirm this.

It is all about selling more device units, not OS upgrades.

Still they could then charge for the upgrades, but that would be the device manufacturers doing, not the operators. And the operators can care less for what you have as mobile, as long as you can generate enough revenue for them.

OS upgrades are not revenue on most mobile operators eyes.

They never liked what Apple did to them, and that is one reason why the sales channels do not push WP7 phones, as WP7 has a similar model.

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RE[2]: Not gonna happen...
by galvanash on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 06:27 in reply to "RE: Not gonna happen..."
galvanash Member since:
2006-01-25

They couldn't care less about platform health, if Android dies they will switch to something else, with added bonus of tempting their users to upgrade.


Ha! What exactly would they switch to? The only real option to Android is Windows Phone and... well that's it really.

You really think Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and Sony want to hitch their carts to Microsoft? Sure, most of them made Windows Phone devices initially, but half of them have been sued or extorted by Microsoft since - and now with Microkia being the golden child and the recent announcement of the Surface Tablet...

Being a Microsoft OEM isn't looking like such a hot idea anymore in the mobile space. Google doesn't dangle carrots in from of their OEMs and then kick them in the nuts...

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