Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 08:30 UTC
Apple I had written an entire article on the debate about whether or not the iPad is a pure consumption device, but realised I could summarise the entire debate into a single sentence: it's the difference between 'suitable' and 'ideal'. You can ride a unicycle from Amsterdam to Paris, but that doesn't mean it's better than just taking the car or the Thalys.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 16:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Think about it carefully. If you cannot generate the code of another system on one computing device; because of _arbitrary_ restrictions put into place by the manufacturer, then is it truly a computing system?

Can one be productive on an iPad? Yes, absolutely. Can one make iPad software, that can make iPad software, on an iPad ? No.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by sultanqasim on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 19:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
sultanqasim Member since:
2006-10-28

I wish apple didn't restrict the iPad as much as they do, but there are practical and functional IDEs available on the app store. For example, I use Python for iOS on my iPad - it's fully permissible under apple rules, I can make basic software, it's run by python (somewhere in between compiled and interpreted due to the design of python), and I can say make a python program that can be used to make iPad software inside it.

The iPad is turing complete, that is not in question. It's just that it's not usually the best or most practical tool for development or content creation in general.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by henderson101 on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 19:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Wrong. Look at Codea. Case closed. Next?

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by helf on Fri 22nd Jun 2012 20:44 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Kroc, I'm pretty sure you are confusing "turing complete" with "not locked down, I can install what I want." The iPad hardware is turing complete. Arguing that it is not is pretty effing stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_complete

Same idiotic arguments about whether or not a playstation 3 or xbox is a "computer" or not. Yes. It is. It just isn't a /general purpose/ computer.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 07:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

It’s okay, I understand what Turing Complete actually means, I was just approaching the matter from a very high, philosophical level.

If in the future the devices that you use cannot do anything without being slaves to another device (desktop computer, App Store, Apple), then is that an indication that we’ve gone backwards, or forwards?

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by M.Onty on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 11:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
M.Onty Member since:
2009-10-23

I thought about it very carefully, and responded accordingly.

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