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RE[6]: Sounds Good
by henderson101 on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 08:45 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Sounds Good"
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Why? Welsh spelling is absolutely different to Scottish Gaelic. Scottish Gaelic is different (but similar to Irish) and Breton is different again. Let's throw out some examples then:

Gwerthir gwin a chwrw yma.
Gwin ha bier a gwerzh amañ.
Tá fíon agus leann ar díol anseo.
Tha fìon agus leann 'gan reic an seo.

Prydau o fwyd ar gael drwy'r dydd.
Boued servijet an devezh pad.
Bia ar fáil fad an lae
Biadh ri fhaighinn fad an là.

Mae tua saith deg mil o bobl yr Alban yn siarad Gaeleg.
War-dro dek ha tri-urgent mil den e Bro-Skos a oar gouezeleg.
Tá Gaeilge an h-Alban ag timpeall trí scór is deich míle duine in Albain.
Tha a' Ghàidhlig aig timcheall tri fichead 's a deich mìle duine ann an Albainn.

So, the gaelics have a lot of commonality, but welsh orthography is vastly different. Like I said. I'm not even going to go there with Breton.

For the gaelics, there are lots of differences, e.g. the eclipsis: (e.g. ocht mbliana vs ochd bliadhna.) but look here for a big long list

For Gaelic and Welsh -

Th - in welsh this is equiv to TH in eng. "thing", in Gaelic this is H (or nothing) as it represents an aspirated T.
Dh - does not occur in Welsh. Closest is Dd, which is the TH in "this" (I.e voiced), but it was used in Cornish for same sound. In Gaelic, this is a fricative, similar to CH and depending on dialect sometimes a Y.
CH - similar in all, though Breton uses a weird ch and c'h here, and some Cornish uses gh over ch.
Gh - doesn't appear in Welsh, similar to DH in Gaelic. Did appear in some Cornish ortographies instead of CH, as the CH phonem was used as in English (e.g. Ty, house, was Chy)
Mh - only in Gaelic. V or W. welsh uses F for this phonem
F - always V in Welsh, and F in gaelics
FF - always F in Welsh, not in gaelics in same way.
Fh - like h in Gaelic. Not in welsh.
W - a vowel in Welsh (like oo in book) but not in gaelic.
Y - a vowel in welsh, (shwa in final position, like welsh i elsewhere), not in Gaelic.
Bh - like V or W in Gaelic. Not in welsh.

Need we go on? The Gaelics share as much comonality in orthography as Swedish does with Danish. Similar roots, spelling diverges. When compared to Welsh, the relationship is more like Polish and Latvian or Lithuanian. Common ancestor way back, very, very different now, orthography only very slightly similar due to common influences.

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RE[7]: Sounds Good
by dylansmrjones on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 10:03 in reply to "RE[6]: Sounds Good"
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The spelling differences between Swedish and Danish are minute and nearly non-existant. Same language with written standards based on different dialects ;)

I explicitly wrote 'brythonic' and not 'celtic' orthography. If you compare Cymric, Cornish (Standard Written Form) and Breton, one can easily establish a brythonic orthography. The differences are larger than between the big north-germanic 'languages', but the similarities are larger than the differences. I prefer a Cornish orthography based on traditional brythonic spelling rather than Late Cornish which is an evil, disgraceful bastard child of Cornish and English.

In regard to Manx I'd prefer a Gaelic orthography (which can easily be established through comparison of Scottish Gaelic and Irish Gaelic and traditional Gaelic spelling) rather than the existing orthography which is a mixture of English and Cymric orthographies.

I'm sure we look quite differently at things. I tend to stick hard to linguistic purism (as does the 'languages' in the North Germanic branch). Purity above all.

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RE[8]: Sounds Good
by henderson101 on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 10:17 in reply to "RE[7]: Sounds Good"
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There really is only Breton and Welsh though, and whilst they are similar, they are also completely different. The mutation system doesn't agree at all, nor does the Cornish one for that matter. Any Cornish that exists is synthetic. The modern dialect with a more Welsh orthography would be nice. let's be honest, Breton is closer to what Cornish should be like (as a spoken language) than Welsh, due to the Breton's being people's of a closer original geographical location (the Breton language originated from people's fleeing the UK, mostly southern people's). The Welsh were isolates.

Manx is another kettle of fish. It had an established written form, so the form you have is what it should use really.

Edited 2012-06-23 10:19 UTC

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RE[8]: Sounds Good
by zima on Sat 23rd Jun 2012 11:16 in reply to "RE[7]: Sounds Good"
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I tend to stick hard to linguistic purism (as does the 'languages' in the North Germanic branch). Purity above all.

Whose purity? (as in, who is pure and who in turn determines that?)
And when? (doesn't that purity thing fly in the face of languages constantly evolving?)

BTW, what's the deal with two Norwegian variants?

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